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    Ok, I laughed a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny00 View Post
    Ok, I laughed a bit.
    Well it is true is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    Well that is why we need to do the following.

    Insure they never hold power in any real number, we do that by doing the following

    Purging the GOP of its RINOs/Cucks who value "compromise" or "respectability" over victory.
    That sort of thinking is why we're extremely likely to get President Clinton the Second next November.

    The same people who insisted on getting rid of Eric Cantor got us Terry McAuliffe as governor of Virginia. I am ashamed to be in the state that has that scum as governor, but there he is. The Republicans gave him that election by hijacking the nominating process to take the choice away from Republican voters and give the nod to a fanatic with an obsession with women's private parts who blew what should have been an easy election for Republicans to win. So let me repeat: the sort of thinking you advocate gave us Terry McAuliffe as governor. NOT a more ideologically correct Republican, but the most shameful scum the Democrats could find to run. And he is our governor. I guess some people would rather lose and have a McAuliffe as governor than win with someone who is not 100% ideologically correct. I call these people "idiots". And he has already vetoed a number of pro-gun bills that were passed by our General Assembly, including a "shall issue" law for CLEOs signoff on Form 4s.

    This mess in the House right now is exactly what the Democrats want. The Republicans come off looking like a bunch of amateurs who are incapable of governing and mark my words, this will cost votes next November. Then instead of "RINOs" (meaning Republicans who actually have some idea how to get things done in Congress) we'll be back to Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and another liberal who hates America in the White House. But I guess that will be okay because the shattered, powerless remnants of the GOP will be ideologically pure!

    Every time Donald Trump, Ben Carson, or Ted Cruz open their mouths they cost the GOP more votes next year. But immature children who have zero understanding of politics just lap it up and beg for more. I hope you'll be satisfied when the likes of Terry McAuliffe are running the whole country and not just this unfortunate state. And when that happens you can kiss your 2nd Amendment rights goodbye forever because they will pack the federal courts with liberals who will be only too happy to overturn Heller and rule that the 2nd Amendment only applies to the states' right to have the National Guard, and then sit back and smile while Clinton and her cronies in the now Democrat-led Congress ban and confiscate everything more modern than a flintlock musket.

    Yeah, our rights SHOULDN'T be at the mercy of the electorate. And people shouldn't kick dogs or shoot schoolchildren, but the sad fact is that that's the way this world we live in is and we have no choice but to deal with it. We live in a democratic republic and the side that gets the most votes wins and rules, no matter how stupid or awful or immoral you know their policies are. Don't EVER make the mistake of thinking that because you know you're right it's impossible to lose. It is ALWAYS possible to lose and it is ALWAYS possible to get worse and your rights are ALWAYS at the mercy of the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberstgreup View Post
    That sort of thinking is why we're extremely likely to get President Clinton the Second next November.

    The same people who insisted on getting rid of Eric Cantor got us Terry McAuliffe as governor of Virginia.
    No, what got you that was a 3rd party Libertarian that bled off enough voters that insure he who.


    I am ashamed to be in the state that has that scum as governor, but there he is. The Republicans gave him that election by hijacking the nominating process to take the choice away from Republican voters and give the nod to a fanatic with an obsession with women's private parts who blew what should have been an easy election for Republicans to win. So let me repeat: the sort of thinking you advocate gave us Terry McAuliffe as governor. NOT a more ideologically correct Republican, but the most shameful scum the Democrats could find to run. And he is our governor. I guess some people would rather lose and have a McAuliffe as governor than win with someone who is not 100% ideologically correct. I call these people "idiots". And he has already vetoed a number of pro-gun bills that were passed by our General Assembly, including a "shall issue" law for CLEOs signoff on Form 4s.
    No, it was a 3rd party as well as the GOP not funding the race and leave him for dead.

    I understand your hate and it is justified.

    This mess in the House right now is exactly what the Democrats want. The Republicans come off looking like a bunch of amateurs who are incapable of governing and mark my words, this will cost votes next November. Then instead of "RINOs" (meaning Republicans who actually have some idea how to get things done in Congress) we'll be back to Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and another liberal who hates America in the White House. But I guess that will be okay because the shattered, powerless remnants of the GOP will be ideologically pure!
    No, we are doing what they did a few years ago, they purged the Blue Dogs from the party and it worked, we are just getting rid of the Neo Cons/Cucks and it will insure we get things done, not "go along to get along" which got us no where. How many pro guns laws did we pass and how many infringements did we repeal when we owned Congress and the White House?

    How many?

    How many immigration laws did we pass?

    How many departments/programs/agencies did we shut down?

    Not a damn one.

    When you have that chances and you blow it, the voters will be pissed and rightfully so.

    When the leftists had such control they rammed though Obamacare and luckily wasted their political capital in that one push.

    What will cost us voters is being soft spoken, P.C low energy people like most Neo Cons/Cucks.

    Notice how many people stayed home with Romeny? Did you think they were just lazy? No they say him as weak and soft on the issues.

    Every time Donald Trump, Ben Carson, or Ted Cruz open their mouths they cost the GOP more votes next year.
    Really? So why are they surging in the polls?

    Why do they draw a crowd?



    But immature children who have zero understanding of politics just lap it up and beg for more. I hope you'll be satisfied when the likes of Terry McAuliffe are running the whole country and not just this unfortunate state.

    No, I understand you do not "meet in the middle" as your opposition is always moving towards tyranny as it will drag you further and further towards it.

    And when that happens you can kiss your 2nd Amendment rights goodbye forever because they will pack the federal courts with liberals who will be only too happy to overturn Heller and rule that the 2nd Amendment only applies to the states' right to have the National Guard, and then sit back and smile while Clinton and her cronies in the now Democrat-led Congress ban and confiscate everything more modern than a flintlock musket.
    Or we can avoid it by running candidates that will win by being strong candidates instead of weak undefined people that try and apply to everyone and win the vote of no one.


    Yeah, our rights SHOULDN'T be at the mercy of the electorate. And people shouldn't kick dogs or shoot schoolchildren, but the sad fact is that that's the way this world we live in is and we have no choice but to deal with it. We live in a democratic republic and the side that gets the most votes wins and rules, no matter how stupid or awful or immoral you know their policies are. Don't EVER make the mistake of thinking that because you know you're right it's impossible to lose. It is ALWAYS possible to lose and it is ALWAYS possible to get worse and your rights are ALWAYS at the mercy of the majority.
    We have winning ideas/polices/ but without candidates that will take the fight to the opposition during the race and while in office.

    Trust me the Neo Cons and Cucks believe that non sense and how has that rewarded us?

    More over why do you think i support taking back education, we can inoculate young mind to the lies of the left and cut off the supply of young and dumb voters, which will lead to long term gains in our favor.

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    Not sure if serious or not. FSA voters are increasing. Good luck purging the GOP. And as a reality check most people in America are not subscribing to the right wing all or nothing mentality.

    Take back education how?

    How are you going to reduce illegal or any other immigration when the Border Patrol is being controlled at the top by those that want it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    Well that is why we need to do the following.

    Insure they never hold power in any real number, we do that by doing the following

    Purging the GOP of its RINOs/Cucks who value "compromise" or "respectability" over victory.

    Take back education via choice/vouchers. With education out of their hands they will not have the means to poison the minds of future generations/future voters.

    Greatly reduce immigration as to cut off the voter importation pipeline for the Democratic party.

    With education lost and immigration shut down we will cap and reduce their power...With a solid party we can have a united front against the leftist scum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    No, what got you that was a 3rd party Libertarian that bled off enough voters that insure he who.
    And why do you think that Libertarian got so much more of the vote than any Libertarian had ever gotten in VA up to that point? The Libertarians have been running for decades and no one ever voted for them before. It was moderate Republicans and independents who refused to vote for Cuccinelli because he is an extremist and an incredibly divisive politician. Nominating him was a big middle finger to moderate and independent voters and they responded by voting for someone else. Now we have the usual BS excuses blaming everyone except Ken Cuccinelli for that loss. He lost because people refused to vote for him.

    They say those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. You're demonstrating the correctness of that saying. Republicans nominated a bomb-thrower who deliberately offends everyone but the hard-line base and we ended up with with a liberal Democrat crook and party hack as governor. The same people who nominated Cuccinelli now tell us to double down on the stupid. It's also said the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results. I am telling you if the GOP does the same on a national scale it will mean four, maybe eight more years of a Democrat in the White House. You can take that to the bank. And then there will be all sorts of great excuses about Libertarians or RINOs whatever, just like there are now over Governor McAuliffe. And they will all be equally worthless. I don't want a lot of really great excuses for why we have Queen Hillary, I want a Republican in the White House. There is NO Republican who is not preferable - on guns or any other issue - to Clinton or Biden or Sanders or anyone else the Democrats are going to run.

    In short, I don't give a crap exactly how or why Cuccinelli lost or who betrayed who or who let who down. We nominated Cuccinelli, now we have Governor McAuliffe. Those are the facts. One followed the other like night follows day.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    Really? So why are they surging in the polls?

    Why do they draw a crowd?
    Because they pander to the extreme and play to the basest emotions of the crowd. This is a lamentable feature of Tea Party politics (although leftists have their own identical version), the idea that whatever infuriates the other side the most must be right. It is infantile. The same people think Sarah Palin is wonderful because liberals hate her so much. She is ignorant, flighty, addled, and has no moral center; a reality TV star who is possibly the worst conservative candidate for national office I have seen in my lifetime, but because liberals hate her so much she must be great, right? But she probably cost the GOP 10% of the popular vote in 2008. The fanatics cannot seem to understand that rabid hate and deliberate, even proud ignorance are turnoffs to most voters.

    And they are only surging in the polls of Republicans against other Republican candidates. They do horribly in matchups against the Democrats. Any of them will lose the general election by 10 points or more if nominated. They cannot possibly win. Nominating them would mean wrapping the Oval Office up for the Democrats with a nice red bow on top.

    And that isn't even really about ideology. The problem with Trump isn't that he's too conservative, it's that he's a reality TV star and a blowhard who likes being as offensive as possible and thinks that is scoring points. His open contempt for women has offended just about every woman I know, including some very conservative ones. He's not even really a conservative, he 's just willing to say whatever he thinks will bring him votes at this point in the process. Apart from immigration he has zero actual ideas on policy, he just says if he gets elected all problems will go away like magic because he's just that awesome. Cruz is less silly but he's also a bomb-thrower. Nevermind that his antics never actually accomplish anything, he really, really pisses off the liberals so he must be awesome. Like I said, infantile. The aim of conservative politics is not to piss off liberals. That is not how success is defined. It may be fun but it is not helpful.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    No, I understand you do not "meet in the middle" as your opposition is always moving towards tyranny as it will drag you further and further towards it.
    Politics is the art of the possible. You can shout about ideological purity all you like but you can't get what you can't get. Most people in this country are neither hard-line fringe liberals nor hard-line fringe conservatives. They are repelled by what they see as extremist politics. They are repelled by people who act like the object of government is to piss off the other side, not to actually govern effectively. Whether you like that or not that's the way it is. Anyone who hopes to win needs to convince those people that they are serious about governing, not just out to poke a stick in the other side's eye out of spite.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    Or we can avoid it by running candidates that will win by being strong candidates instead of weak undefined people that try and apply to everyone and win the vote of no one.
    Funny that Obama won twice being and doing exactly the latter.

    Mull that over for a minute. Barack Obama won the majority of the vote in this country twice. How could that possibly have happened? You claim it was because the Republicans opposing him were insufficiently hard-line conservative. Why on earth would you imagine that anyone who would even consider voting for Obama - which is plainly a majority of the voters, since a majority did, in fact, vote for him - would prefer a right-wing fanatic? Why would anyone who is holding out for a right-wing fanatic ever vote for Obama under any circumstances? It's absurd on its face.

    And it's not because most of the voters stayed home. The last two presidential elections had higher turnout than any other elections in our history.

    You may despise politicians who are willing to compromise and put actually governing ahead of ideological purity, but that's exactly what most voters want, and refusing to even consider it is a sure way to lose elections. Obama won by convincing a majority that that's the sort of president he'd be. Whether that's really true is another matter, the point is that that's what most voters want and that's what they voted for. And if the Republicans nominate someone whose only policy is no compromises whatsoever, they will lose. Like night follows day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Not sure if serious or not. FSA voters are increasing. Good luck purging the GOP. And as a reality check most people in America are not subscribing to the right wing all or nothing mentality.
    Which is why we need to reduce and cap immigration, no need to import voters for the leftists as well as create new jobs/make industries return.

    Take back education how?
    Vouchers and School Choice, with the Cartel of Government run education broken we can have millions of future voters learn real history, civics, understand the proper role of goverment(which goverment run schools never do as they have a interests in increasing their power.) and the value of Western Culture, Liberty and being taught how to defend it for the cultural marxist scum who wish to destroy it.

    Every wonder why leftist hate the idea of having to compete for the minds of the youth? Its because they can not compete and they know this.

    With this pipeline cut they will wither and die as they should..



    How are you going to reduce illegal or any other immigration when the Border Patrol is being controlled at the top by those that want it?
    No, it is not, which is why we need to get rid of the Neo Cons/Cucks who are either in the pocket of the "cheap" labor supporters or the Cucks who either thing we can win over the 3rd world masses or will not defend their own nation/culture/Liberty out of fear of being called "racist".

    More or less a updated version of the 1924 immigration act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberstgreup View Post
    And why do you think that Libertarian got so much more of the vote than any Libertarian had ever gotten in VA up to that point? The Libertarians have been running for decades and no one ever voted for them before. It was moderate Republicans and independents who refused to vote for Cuccinelli because he is an extremist and an incredibly divisive politician. Nominating him was a big middle finger to moderate and independent voters and they responded by voting for someone else. Now we have the usual BS excuses blaming everyone except Ken Cuccinelli for that loss. He lost because people refused to vote for him.
    Really? LOL. Cuccinelli was too "extreme"? How?

    So you do not care how the race ended, why he lost, you just think he lost because he was the candidate?

    So tell us, what would have lead us to winning?

    Please I have to hear this.



    They say those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
    Like President McCain or President Romney? You know the "electable candidates"?

    You're demonstrating the correctness of that saying. Republicans nominated a bomb-thrower who deliberately offends everyone but the hard-line base and we ended up with with a liberal Democrat crook and party hack as governor. The same people who nominated Cuccinelli now tell us to double down on the stupid. It's also said the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results. I am telling you if the GOP does the same on a national scale it will mean four, maybe eight more years of a Democrat in the White House. You can take that to the bank. And then there will be all sorts of great excuses about Libertarians or RINOs whatever, just like there are now over Governor McAuliffe. And they will all be equally worthless. I don't want a lot of really great excuses for why we have Queen Hillary, I want a Republican in the White House. There is NO Republican who is not preferable - on guns or any other issue - to Clinton or Biden or Sanders or anyone else the Democrats are going to run.
    Using facts and tapping in to righteous anger of the American people is "bomb throwing" to you?

    Do you want any republican or someone who will make hay will the sun shines?

    Wrong again maybe are just as bad on other issues like Immigration which will insure one party rule of the Democratic party in the coming years if immigration levels are not reduced and capped.

    In short, I don't give a crap exactly how or why Cuccinelli lost or who betrayed who or who let who down. We nominated Cuccinelli, now we have Governor McAuliffe. Those are the facts. One followed the other like night follows day.
    Who should we have nominated?

    Who? A more weaker candidate?

    Because they pander to the extreme and play to the basest emotions of the crowd.
    And that is bad, why? They are using facts to back up the fact that leftist ideas and programs are a failure.

    This is a lamentable feature of Tea Party politics (although leftists have their own identical version), the idea that whatever infuriates the other side the most must be right. It is infantile. The same people think Sarah Palin is wonderful because liberals hate her so much. She is ignorant, flighty, addled, and has no moral center; a reality TV star who is possibly the worst conservative candidate for national office I have seen in my lifetime, but because liberals hate her so much she must be great, right? But she probably cost the GOP 10% of the popular vote in 2008. The fanatics cannot seem to understand that rabid hate and deliberate, even proud ignorance are turnoffs to most voters.
    So you attack a whole justifiable group of people who are tried of being sold out by their own party based one bad pick of a VP candiate from a old foolish cuck?

    And they are only surging in the polls of Republicans against other Republican candidates. They do horribly in matchups against the Democrats. Any of them will lose the general election by 10 points or more if nominated. They cannot possibly win. Nominating them would mean wrapping the Oval Office up for the Democrats with a nice red bow on top.
    See the polls and then say such things. More over the Dem Debates will show they have no ideas and if that fossil Socialist is elected he will lose the race.

    And that isn't even really about ideology. The problem with Trump isn't that he's too conservative, it's that he's a reality TV star and a blowhard who likes being as offensive as possible and thinks that is scoring points.
    No, it is about ideology, the Neo Cons has their chance and they have failed epicly. That "reality T.V star has a proven record have job creation as well as turning debt into profit. Can not say the same thing about other candidates, also he is kicking their asses in the poll.


    His open contempt for women has offended just about every woman I know, including some very conservative ones.
    Then they are the kind of soft skinned people that get offend over nothing.



    Apart from immigration he has zero actual ideas on policy, he just says if he gets elected all problems will go away like magic because he's just that awesome.
    Did you not see his policy on gun rights and taxes? More over what ideas do YOU have?

    Cruz is less silly but he's also a bomb-thrower. Nevermind that his antics never actually accomplish anything, he really, really pisses off the liberals so he must be awesome. Like I said, infantile. The aim of conservative politics is not to piss off liberals. That is not how success is defined. It may be fun but it is not helpful.
    That "bomb thrower" helped us stop the left from banning more firearms in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and you call him a bomb thrower for attacking the left? God that is how you treat a man trying to help you? Anything fact based or that stops the left will piss off Leftists, its going to happen our goals are the restoring of Liberty and if that means a few leftist get upset, so be it.

    If that means in order to get suppressed machine guns to my door from an Estore with no paperwork we have to offend some "protected class" so be it.




    Politics is the art of the possible.
    Everything is theoretically impossible, until it is done.
    Robert A. Heinlein

    You can shout about ideological purity all you like but you can't get what you can't get. Most people in this country are neither hard-line fringe liberals nor hard-line fringe conservatives.
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/gallup-con.../10/id/623987/

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ive-americans/
    They are repelled by what they see as extremist politics.
    Sure they do...

    They are repelled by people who act like the object of government is to piss off the other side, not to actually govern effectively.
    So why are they not repelled by leftist or by Trump?

    Whether you like that or not that's the way it is. Anyone who hopes to win needs to convince those people that they are serious about governing, not just out to poke a stick in the other side's eye out of spite.
    And we are convince others, by using facts, and drawing attention to them and our policies with bluntness as being P.C gets us nowhere.


    Funny that Obama won twice being and doing exactly the latter.
    McCain and Romney where not strong candidate and their loses proved it.

    Mull that over for a minute. Barack Obama won the majority of the vote in this country twice. How could that possibly have happened?
    He won the 2nd time by the hair of his ass, in a crap economy (he made worse) with a media that was openly on his side, against a meek candidate.

    You claim it was because the Republicans opposing him were insufficiently hard-line conservative. Why on earth would you imagine that anyone who would even consider voting for Obama - which is plainly a majority of the voters, since a majority did, in fact, vote for him - would prefer a right-wing fanatic?
    Low info voters? Media helping him, weak candidates. More over if you think McCain or Romney are "right wing "fanatics"" then you are just spouting leftist talking points or buzzwords.




    And it's not because most of the voters stayed home. The last two presidential elections had higher turnout than any other elections in our history.
    No 4 million people did not even make it to the poll

    http://lonelyconservative.com/2012/1...-election-day/

    home.http://www.redstate.com/diary/griffi...issing-voters/

    Thanks to A. A media that was openly in the pocket for "The first black President" and B. Low info voters.

    You may despise politicians who are willing to compromise and put actually governing ahead of ideological purity, but that's exactly what most voters want, and refusing to even consider it is a sure way to lose elections.
    Compromising with bad ideas is a very bad idea. Compromising with policies and bill that reduce Liberty, and empower the left is not in our favor. We have no obligation to help the left or to work/vote to our determent.



    Obama won by convincing a majority that that's the sort of president he'd be. Whether that's really true is another matter, the point is that that's what most voters want and that's what they voted for. And if the Republicans nominate someone whose only policy is no compromises whatsoever, they will lose. Like night follows day.
    Convincing the desperate, the poor, the young, and the dumb is a easy feat for the dishonest.

    Really? So what has compromise gotten us?

    The 16th, 17th, and the 18th Amendments
    The National Firearms Act
    The Gold Confiscation Act
    Interment of German, Italian, and Japanese Americans during the war without charges or tiral
    Violation of the 1st Amendment in the Civil Rights Act
    The Immigration Act of 1965 (which has turned America into a lefter leaning nation)
    The Gun Control Act of 1968
    The creation of the Department of Education
    The Hughes Amendment
    The Amnesty in 1986
    The Patriot Act
    The War in Iraq

    And countless more really, really, really bad ideas. How as that worked out for us?

    That's not compromise, that's incrementalism. They've been chipping away at us for a while and we've got nothing in return. We have not compromised, we've been robbed of our wealth and our of Liberty.

    You just want to "compromise" on every issue, every topic, everything until we have nothing left to give up.

    What has the left every given up on? Not just slow their push for, just give up? Name one goal/topic/ issue. Name one.

    We have been compromising with our liberties, freedoms, and prosperity for too long and what has it gotten us?


    Yes it is a problem, one that will be solved when the time is ready.

    When you compromise with failure, you create more failure.
    When you compromise with corruption, you create more corruption.
    When you compromise with injustice, you create more injustice.
    When you compromise with cronyism, you create more cronyism.
    When you compromise with criminality, you create more criminality.
    When you compromise with moral relativism, you create more moral relativism.
    When you compromise with give up freedom you give up more freedom.
    When you compromise with National Sovereignty, you give up more National Sovereignty.
    When you compromise with bad ideas, you get more bad ideas.
    When you compromise with evil, you get more evil.
    When you compromise with tyranny, you get more tyranny.

    When is compromising with a bad idea anything less then a really, really, really bad idea?



    My attitude will not destroy us, your will destroy us "nothing is right, nothing thing is wrong, nothing is good nothing is evil, success and failure are just a matter of opinion and not results as well as countless other failed views and opinions created by moral relativism

    John F. Kennedy — 'We cannot negotiate with people who say what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable.
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    Cuccinelli lost because:
    *He ran a bad campaign
    *He is self proclaimed far-right wing running for election in a purple state
    *McAuliffe played himself as a centist and had better name recognition

    Exit polling showed most voters were not just voting for McAuliffe but against Cuccinelli. You can't win a statewide election in VA unless you win the counties around the blue core of Northern VA which he lost.

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    You fellas ever think VA governorship was lost because of the expansion of guberment jobs in the DC area? Let's face it, VA had been turning purple for a while, I believe it's solidly light blue at this point. Tea party candidates have cleaned clock on a national level for several years now, RINOs have been getting jacked up. There is no such thing as "moderate", a "moderate" is someone who isn't paying attention; the left is on a persistent March towards statism that has been sped up over the past 8 years. I suspect many "moderates" would vote left anyone due to peer pressure, the only way to win the debate and win them over is to effectively make the argument why the left is wrong and you'll solidify them as a voter forever once they see what a conservative/libertarian led government looks like.

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