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Thread: Froglube and Fireclean...Pre treating/conditioning

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    Tried FL on a few 1911s and the only thing good about it was the initial smell. Over time the smell got worse. As a "lube" it was too thick and waxy over time.
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    T2C is nice enough to donate some FL to me I shall post pictures for you guys on how it goes I do have a glock that has been frog lubed and no i did not do any of the instructions i simply put it on with a paint brush and went and shot it no problems at all. that same glock has been in my night stand for the past 2 months and while it does solidify when i shoot it, it turns back into liquid form. so no problems on my glock... but then again its a glock the thing could run with bacon grease lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0CKETMAN View Post
    Tried FL on a few 1911s and the only thing good about it was the initial smell. Over time the smell got worse. As a "lube" it was too thick and waxy over time.
    I had the same problem and it got worse, if you have any residual oils in your gun it will react badly to them over time. Frog Lube states you must degrease your gun before which originally I was not aware of, that being said I did wash them out before applying. After a while I noticed it reacting to something(Petroleum based products) so I would clean and reapply FL. Eventually I found out about the solvent and bought that product, initial gun store advice on FL was all wrong keep in mind(2011). So I went with that and still had a reoccurring problems on my guns. The symptoms were a build up a danky smell orange dinge, so I completely degreased all my guns and then reapplied exactly like FL's video channel on YouTube.

    The problem continued and I gave up. Back to Breakfree CLP. At this point I was like how degreased must my gun be and how clean must it be before applying "Frog Fail", I used a sonic cleaner on my BCG and other parts on top of this and some regular firing schedule as well. I used a light concentrate of simple green Biodegradable version when washing out my SR15 for example and washed the parts in a sink and after that with hot water again. The gun was dried after words and it was just metal, then applied a decent amount of Frog lube 2&1 formula and the same condition came back.

    I had this problem with my HK especially in the Bolt, I believe it might have been HK's gun packing grease from the factory, that being said I lost all confidence I spent a major amount of time cleaning it off. Could have been oils in my magazine leftover as well and naturally as feeding during firing it carried some on the casings possibly, but these would be meniscal amounts.

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    PMC Green Tip M855
    American Eagle M855
    Ruag 63gr Premium ammo(Very Little used)


    I did contact Larry lasky at FL and he was very helpful and pointed to me that they sell a Froglube degreaser ..WTF.. at this point I repeated the steps and the problem was still evident, and I simply said to myself "**** It". Ain't nobody got time for that!




    Conclusion:

    I loved the idea of the FrogLube product being Bio Based,and its Minty smell, But it reacts to badly if it happens to get any other oil in contact with it. This also made me come back to the my initial findings that for the type of shooting I'm doing so many other oils are cheaper more easily available that really it just isn't worth the hassle. As for Fireclean I'm not rushing out to get some anytime soon at this point sorry LAV.

    The only oils I would consider are:

    Fireclean
    Slip 2000
    Gunzilla
    ATF in a jam
    Breakfree CLP (CF issue)

    Hell Hoppes worked fine for me.

    I have used Froglube on a karambit Knife I have and it is working fine.
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    For years I was a Froglube supporter. I'd had nothing but great things to say about it, and backed it 100%...hell, I even bought the t-shirt. I'd been on here plenty of times defending FL, telling people how they used too much, or didn't follow instructions, or how I never had problems with it freezing up, or gumming up...until it gummed up on me.

    For years, I followed the instructions to the letter. All my firearms had been through the FL process multiple tumes, and all was well as far as I was concerned. A few days ago I went out with my shotgun, a Mossberg 500, and something happened. The gun wouldn't fire. To make a long story short, the FL had gummed up around the firing pin, and I was having light primer strikes.

    I thought...I must have put too much on. Then it dawned on me, why the hell am I putting up with this shit? Why am I making excuses for FL? It made a functioning gun not function. That's unacceptable. I always told myself that if I'd ever experienced any of these problems that other people were having with FL, I'd be done with it.

    Well, I'm a man of my word, so I'm finished with Froglube.

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    Why is it some folks are having problems with mixing FL with pet based lubes and others aren't? My AR had several types of various lubes used on it without degreasing, including oil out of the crankcase and the FL slathered on top of them has never been a problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Why is it some folks are having problems with mixing FL with pet based lubes and others aren't? My AR had several types of various lubes used on it without degreasing, including oil out of the crankcase and the FL slathered on top of them has never been a problem
    According to FL you should not be doing that...Not sure... All I can say is I really went out of my way degreasing my guns and then reapplying FL and it was still having this issue. Perhaps you are on a shooting schedule and cleaning your guns after with a wipe down and FL has not reacted yet with old oils still in your gun.

    One thing I will blantantly call out is considering the procedure FL demands from FL itself, they didn't have warning labels or directions on the bottles I purchased or any info about getting the solvent? If it's a 2 & 1 product and it must be degreased with say FL's own degreaser as well it should be advertised as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leibermuster View Post
    I had the same problem and it got worse, if you have any residual oils in your gun it will react badly to them over time. Frog Lube states you must degrease your gun before which originally I was not aware of, that being said I did wash them out before applying. *** At this point I was like how degreased must my gun be and how clean must it be before applying "Frog Fail", I used a sonic cleaner on my BCG and other parts on top of this and some regular firing schedule as well. I used a light concentrate of simple green Biodegradable version when washing out my SR15 for example and washed the parts in a sink and after that with hot water again. The gun was dried after words and it was just metal, then applied a decent amount of Frog lube 2&1 formula and the same condition came back.
    That's more thorough than anything I did, and I haven't had as much of a problem as you apparently did.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Why is it some folks are having problems with mixing FL with pet based lubes and others aren't? My AR had several types of various lubes used on it without degreasing, including oil out of the crankcase and the FL slathered on top of them has never been a problem
    That's kinda the $64,000 question isn't it? Leibermuster's process sounds really thorough. The BCG of mine that FL worked best on was lubed with FL paste before a shot was fired, which may help. But I assume most or all BCGs come with machining oil or preservative oil before they reach the end user's hands, so it's not like you can start with something that has never once had any petroleum oil touch it.

    I strongly suspect that the Froglube product is not always the same, whether that's due to intentional changes or unintended variations in the raw materials or process I don't know, but the range of results posted here seems to suggest it's not a uniform product.

    FWIW, DSG Arms currently has all their Froglube products on sale at half off. I've noticed in the last couple of years that DSG's sales seem like a good barometer of the items that are going out of style. And let's be honest, some of the wonder lubes of the last 10-20 years have basically been snake oil going in and out of style.

    Meanwhile, I'm going to switch to REAL snake oil:

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    I said a long time ago that Frog Lube was a trash product and was going to fall out of style and would be the next snake-oil lube on this very forum.

    A couple of well respected guys here got their panties ALL in a wad.

    I'm enjoyin' these threads.

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    Oh my, they have just announced "Froglube Extreme!!!" which supposedly works in cold weather:

    http://www.ar15news.com/2015/09/30/n...e-extreme-clp/

    Stay tuned. The hyperbole in the intro/advertorial makes for good popcorn munching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy View Post
    Oh my, they have just announced "Froglube Extreme!!!" which supposedly works in cold weather:

    http://www.ar15news.com/2015/09/30/n...e-extreme-clp/

    Stay tuned. The hyperbole in the intro/advertorial makes for good popcorn munching.
    You've got to be kidding me. I can't believe I ever supported this shit. In all honesty, I never had a problem with the regular Froglube freezing up in cold tempetures, but now, they are telling you you need this, and you have to pay even more money for this crap to ensure it works in the extreme cold? They are calling this a gamechanger? Why? There's a million other lubes out there that have always worked in extreme tempetures. Somewhere, there’s a group of Seals out there laughing their asses off at how far they have been able to take this joke.
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