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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    Good drill, we use one that is very similar and I know many other training groups that use something similar. It is a valid drill looking at movement, elevated heart rate performance, starting, stopping, shooting platform, safety manipulation, muzzle awareness, marksmanship, snapping (driving) gun to target quickly, etc. I understand that you were "gaming" it a bit and that is all good, but you should clarify that initially so others don't copy that portion of the drill where they are shooting from a less than ideal platform. Rather stress "planting" or "landing" naturally in a good shooting position as one decelerates and comes to a stop should be a key element of the drill and I am sure you get that, but others may not and they really should not mimic that portion of the video.

    I would also concur that the acceptable hit zone is too generous, which generally leads or encourages LE or Mil guys who are hard charging, competitive types to eventually "game" the drill too much to claim bragging rights. Yep, we all do it. Yes if all that we have available or presented to us is the "C zone" area of a target then we might just need to take it, but that will also require greater precision. Now would I take a "C zone" hit if I was shooting for the "A zone" on a full frontal target of opportunity like in the video? Not ideally, but I would take it and hope that the follow up is driving right into the "A zone". The point here is that we might want to keep our acceptable hit zone sizes on the smaller side for training and drills as performance and accuracy standards diminish or get worse under real life kinetic stress. This drill has a full frontal torso that is available to the shooter, so stress the accuracy standard. If you want to stress to take the target area offered or available, then set up targets in a manner to suit those drills.

    Again, I am pretty sure you get most if not all of what I said, but the video can leave room for interpretation and others will interpret and may not get the correct information. So as mentioned by others if you put the info out there, it is going to get a critique, accurate or not and based on the video and the conversation in the thread, there was IMO some good / valid feedback given. Also keep in mind that there are indeed many behind the keyboard that may be "armchairing it", but there are some very knowledgeable civilians with valid input. There may also be those who are legit BTDT types with more than enough real life kinetic encounters and are still the ones above ground living and breathing and are able to type on a keyboard.

    All in all good to see guys out there pushing the training, much respect for that! Keep on with it and keep educating and motivating the guys / gals on the street to be better!
    The most thought out, educated response yet. Thanks for your insight. Just to clarify, the acceptable target zone is the "A" zone with penalties from the "C" zone on out. I totally wrote that wrong. Be sure all my hits were in the A zone save one. I totally agree that accuracy is very important and that is the way we design our drills. But, more so than accuracy, speed and accuracy together rule the day. Thanks again for your comments and insight.

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    I will be on the range again this Thursday. Is anyone interested in seeing this drill run again? Or maybe my times and hits on a different drill? Let me know!

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    Wooster Mountain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by polosatik View Post
    Wooster Mountain?
    Yep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by armortac View Post
    Get out and shoot! Try this drill…try every drill you can!

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    There's a CQB qualification that Marines go through (a MARSOC timed qualification drill). I've done it several times from some local marine instructors but don't recall all the exact details. I do recall the first part being a controlled pair at 50 yards standing then dropping to the knees and another controlled pair in 9 seconds (all same target). The next set timed portion I recall was a controlled pair to the chest at 25 of each of two targets. Then a timed box drill at 15. Following that was a controlled pair at 25 moving to 15 with another controlled pair. There were several other combinations of failure to stop (controlled pair to the chest and one to the head), both moving and static, pairs or single targets. The total shots are 50, scoring is 2 points deducted from a start of 100 points per a shot outside of the A box. Anyone who has recently been in or is the Marine core probably knows what I'm talking about. This drill mentioned above sounds similar to the qualification drill in it's intent and purpose, but have you considered just doing the MARSOC's qualification test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by win&legend View Post
    There's a CQB qualification that Marines go through (a MARSOC timed qualification drill). I've done it several times from some local marine instructors but don't recall all the exact details. I do recall the first part being a controlled pair at 50 yards standing then dropping to the knees and another controlled pair in 9 seconds (all same target). The next set timed portion I recall was a controlled pair to the chest at 25 of each of two targets. Then a timed box drill at 15. Following that was a controlled pair at 25 moving to 15 with another controlled pair. There were several other combinations of failure to stop (controlled pair to the chest and one to the head), both moving and static, pairs or single targets. The total shots are 50, scoring is 2 points deducted from a start of 100 points per a shot outside of the A box. Anyone who has recently been in or is the Marine core probably knows what I'm talking about. This drill mentioned above sounds similar to the qualification drill in it's intent and purpose, but have you considered just doing the MARSOC's qualification test?
    I think these are the drills you are thinking about?

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    Any chance you have a link to the attachment? it's too small to read :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by win&legend View Post
    Any chance you have a link to the attachment? it's too small to read :-(
    Lol, I just realized that. Stand by one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by win&legend View Post
    Any chance you have a link to the attachment? it's too small to read :-(
    Here's a great source for rifle and pistol drills. It's our "bible".
    http://mrpc.info/uploads/Drill-Book-...%20(LARGE).pdf

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