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    Quote Originally Posted by henschman View Post
    I don't know why anyone would think that group size is limited to the size of the dot.
    some people shoot at targets that are extremely small. when the dot obscures the target by a wide margin, it's hard to tell where exactly you're aiming.

    some people have limited experience, we all do, really. so when shooting small targets with small reticles gives them great results, and the results get worse as their reticle gets bigger, it's simple to understand their POV.

    my experience is that using a giant reticle with a matching giant target is the most precise way to get a sight picture. just think about the front sight post on a service rifle shooting at the aiming black of the standard CMP targets in high power. holding the 10 ring at 600 means keeping a 12" group by aligning a 36" black circle with a front sight post that appears to be roughly the same width.

    I think Molon was just debunking the statement that you can't shoot 1 MOA with a 4 MOA reticle. And of course he's right that's certainly false. However, from a practical standpoint, precision shooting with an aimpoint is suboptimal. If you use a 6" head as a standard, then hitting it out to 150 yards is not hard. Much beyond that starts to get difficult. e.g. holding a 3" group at 300 yards on a 12" target isn't impossible, but try a 6" head at 300 and you're going to need some luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by taliv View Post
    some people shoot at targets that are extremely small. when the dot obscures the target by a wide margin, it's hard to tell where exactly you're aiming.

    some people have limited experience, we all do, really. so when shooting small targets with small reticles gives them great results, and the results get worse as their reticle gets bigger, it's simple to understand their POV.

    my experience is that using a giant reticle with a matching giant target is the most precise way to get a sight picture. just think about the front sight post on a service rifle shooting at the aiming black of the standard CMP targets in high power. holding the 10 ring at 600 means keeping a 12" group by aligning a 36" black circle with a front sight post that appears to be roughly the same width.

    I think Molon was just debunking the statement that you can't shoot 1 MOA with a 4 MOA reticle. And of course he's right that's certainly false. However, from a practical standpoint, precision shooting with an aimpoint is suboptimal. If you use a 6" head as a standard, then hitting it out to 150 yards is not hard. Much beyond that starts to get difficult. e.g. holding a 3" group at 300 yards on a 12" target isn't impossible, but try a 6" head at 300 and you're going to need some luck
    Good post.

    I haven't really seen anyone on here pretend that a T1 Micro or similar should take the place of a good Variable Scope, for precision and distance roles. But the ability to be able to push the limits with a RDS equipped LW 5.56 Carbine should in every serious Rifleman's toolbox.

    The folks that think it's impossible to shoot good groups or shoot man size targets at Mid Distances, really need to get out and shoot more and expand their Horizons... try new things, not to mention work on their fundamentals. Once one has a really firm grasp on Holdovers/Windage/Mover holds, EXBAL, etc., it really isn't too hard to SWAG it with some good ol' Kentucky Windage and Tennessee Holdover to make hits on not-so-small targets at distance.

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