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    Quote Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post
    Thank you, Wayne.

    Is the T1/T2 2moa an accurate reported size?
    If your at a known distance range, you can measure the dot size....

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    that is dang good shooting!


    i start pretty much every range day by shooting ipsc heads and hostage flappers from 500 - 600+ with bolt guns with pretty good results, but with my T1 micro and 2moa dot, seriously, i doubt i would even get 1 in 10 hits on 6x9" head past 500.

    i'm curious what your sight picture was to get those hits. are you zeroed for the top or bottom of the dot? or have it centered?

    how do you plan to hold over for distances beyond 300? just a lot of practice or you using some technique?

    gratuitous pic from yesterday of first round at 540y on hostage flapper and first round at 620y... not too hard with 27x magnification! 1x mag? not me

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    Quote Originally Posted by joedirt199 View Post

    The appleseed shoots are a good way to test yourself with irons and simulated distance targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon View Post
    I'm not a cook!
    Neither are my daughters! (although compared to your target they are)

    Seriously, the Appleseeds are great fun for anyone, you learn a little history, marksmanship and range safety.

    My daughters greatly benefited from the program and strictly adhere to range safety protocols without drama (not so much before when it was only dad telling them how to act around a bunch of other unsafe nuts at the range).

    We attended at Tri-City Gun Club, Norman, OK - great ranges, and great guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon View Post
    I'm not a cook!...
    Hey, one of the best shots in my last battalion was the mess sergeant.

    He was a good cook too....

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    I made rifleman my first time out with a ruger 10-22. The second day was going to be with actual distance and appropriate target size. I didn't have an AR at that time and would have been too costly to shoot the savage 308 for an all day event. It was fun to shoot and was a blistery cold day but the instructor and his wife were amazing and made us chili for lunch and cookies for a snack. Trying to get the wife to do one so she can learn some rifle position skills.

    I still have a bunch of those targets so now that I have a few ARs in the stable, it is time to give it another try.
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    First off, good shooting. However, I always hated those little simulated distance targets. Scores were higher so moral was up, but it is false moral. Without having to factor in the drop of the round, and the effect of the wind, it doesn't directly transfer into more hits once deployed. I've only seen one head shot in 3 deployments. The aim for that shot (roughly 50 or 60 yds) was between the shoulder blades. I do like how the different sights compare. I even agree with the findings. I am better now with my M4S (2 moa) than I was with my EOTech (1moa) when I retired in '09. Has to be the quality of the sight, because my eyes are getting worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daddyusmaximus View Post

    However, I always hated those little simulated distance targets. Scores were higher so moral was up, but it is false moral. Without having to factor in the drop of the round, and the effect of the wind, it doesn't directly transfer into more hits once deployed.

    From my original post of this thread . . .



    Quote Originally Posted by Molon View Post


    The testing was conducted at 50 yards in order to mitigate the variable of wind-drift that would have been significant if testing had been conducted at actual distances and to remove the vertical variation of the points of impact that would have occurred due to bullet drop at actual distances. The objective here was to determine what the limitation on accuracy was, due to aiming with the various red-dot sights, not how well I could dope the wind and distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post



    Seriously, the Appleseeds are great fun for anyone, you learn a little history, marksmanship and range safety.
    They even seem to promote a sense of patriotism . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Neither are my daughters! (although compared to your target they are)

    Seriously, the Appleseeds are great fun for anyone, you learn a little history, marksmanship and range safety.

    My daughters greatly benefited from the program and strictly adhere to range safety protocols without drama (not so much before when it was only dad telling them how to act around a bunch of other unsafe nuts at the range).

    We attended at Tri-City Gun Club, Norman, OK - great ranges, and great guys!
    Thank you sir! I'm the Appleseed State Coordinator for Oklahoma and was probably at that shoot, unless it was the one this past May. We will have a couple more dates at Tri-City for 2016 posted soon. I hope to see you at one of them.

    You know the only thing that helps your fundamentals better than attending good quality training like an Appleseed is teaching them to others. Also being able to shoot Expert on the Army Qual. Test is great, but it is far better to go out and teach a few hundred other folks to shoot and get them plugged into the heritage of marksmanship. We've got orange hats for anyone who wants the opportunity!

    Interesting dot test. The results are about what I would figure -- as target size approaches dot size, it gets real tough to make a hit, as a precise sight picture cannot be verified. At that point I would think a significant amount of chance comes into play -- maybe you are lucky and are aligned, maybe not. You can't really tell.

    I like the 2 MOA dot Aimpoint on my go-to carbine. It pretty consistently shoots inside of 2 MOA... so if the dot fits, you're getting hits.
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