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    Quote Originally Posted by Benito View Post
    Seems kind of pricey for a BCG. It would be cheaper to get a regular BCG and an adjustable gas block.
    That aside, I am still curious, and wonder how it differs from Gemtech's bolt carrier.
    Click on the link and watch the video:-) It's super simple to adjust. BTW Kings Shooter Supplies has these for $360.00. Still not cheap but $60 off msrp. Add another $60 for the 2A Armament Ti GB...$420 total. Not much difference in price for high end LW BC + bolt and let's say a SLR ADJ Ti GB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benito View Post
    Seems kind of pricey for a BCG. It would be cheaper to get a regular BCG and an adjustable gas block.
    Not by much though... I just looked into this and compared it with my current LW setup (SLR .625 Ti adj gas block + Kaiser Ti BCG) pairing the 2A Armament RBC with a BAD Ti gas block is just .1oz heavier. Cost-wise, I got my SLR block for $158.97 on sale and the Kaiser Ti BCG for $280 for a total of ~$439. You can get the RBC for $375 + $80 for the BAD Ti gas block (can also find for $70) totaling $455. Less than a $20 difference.

    If given the chance to re-do my super lightweight over again, I would've gone with the RBC + BAD combo (if only the RBC had come out a month earlier...). I'm tempted to try it out anyways...
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    Within the limits of the current system. How can decreasing carrier mass reduce strains in the system? The system is already stressed for most users. We live with more strains and stress to fit within the current confines of the system for most. Adding strains leads to higher MRBF. I can not see this as a positive result overall, even though "felt recoil impulse" may reduce.
    What balance of that would be preferred for a serious use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasman View Post
    Not by much though... I just looked into this and compared it with my current LW setup (SLR .625 Ti adj gas block + Kaiser Ti BCG) pairing the 2A Armament RBC with a BAD Ti gas block is just .1oz heavier. Cost-wise, I got my SLR block for $158.97 on sale and the Kaiser Ti BCG for $280 for a total of ~$439. You can get the RBC for $375 + $80 for the BAD Ti gas block (can also find for $70) totaling $455. Less than a $20 difference.

    If given the chance to re-do my super lightweight over again, I would've gone with the RBC + BAD combo (if only the RBC had come out a month earlier...). I'm tempted to try it out anyways...
    Agree100%.

    I've been waiting a few months for the RBC... worth the wait IMO. Plus it's one less company I have to deal with if, I hope not, any warranty issues.

    Post man just delivered some more 2A Armament goodies:-). Ti T3 & .625 GB. Flawless machining!





    Hopefully I'll have the lower soon....still have to send it out for Cerakote ....then final assembly

    And then....I can finally put some rounds through the RBC.

    Cheers
    Shannon

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom12.7 View Post
    Within the limits of the current system. How can decreasing carrier mass reduce strains in the system? The system is already stressed for most users. We live with more strains and stress to fit within the current confines of the system for most. Adding strains leads to higher MRBF. I can not see this as a positive result overall, even though "felt recoil impulse" may reduce.
    What balance of that would be preferred for a serious use?
    I have always wondered why people seem to feel the "felt recoil" of an M16/AR15 is such a problem that it 'needs' to be reduced....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lysander View Post
    I have always wondered why people seem to feel the "felt recoil" of an M16/AR15 is such a problem that it 'needs' to be reduced....
    When new shooters have issues with weapon control - namely recoil control - there are two strategies which come to mind. One: The more astute shooter will determine he needs to train more to control recoil, and even change his style in order to achieve that goal. Two: The less astute shooter will determine he needs to reduce recoil, so that his current style and set of skills can remain the same, but attempt to reach a better result.

    Shooter Two is wrong.
    Nobody ever got shot climbing over the wall into East Berlin.

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    The RBC wasn't designed as a recoil reduction component, it was designed to shed weight from the overall system, and retain reliability. It was also designed with the intent that it could be swapped out with a full mass or stock carrier, and the gun would remain the same as it started.

    It has the gas regulator built into the side in order to make both those happen.


    Ryan

    ETA: I intentionally run the RBC slightly over-gassed in classes. I try to get the ejection around the 2:30 mark.
    Last edited by redmist; 11-13-15 at 22:09.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leuthas View Post
    When new shooters have issues with weapon control - namely recoil control - there are two strategies which come to mind. One: The more astute shooter will determine he needs to train more to control recoil, and even change his style in order to achieve that goal. Two: The less astute shooter will determine he needs to reduce recoil, so that his current style and set of skills can remain the same, but attempt to reach a better result.

    Shooter Two is wrong.
    Less recoil is better, you don't always get to choose position your making a shot from. I don't know how much a bcg would help, just making a point. Fwiw, I run std parts with a flash hider. Overall I get your point, but there are benefits.

    If I was buying a bcg, I'd try sionics from what I've seen here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leuthas View Post
    When new shooters have issues with weapon control - namely recoil control - there are two strategies which come to mind. One: The more astute shooter will determine he needs to train more to control recoil, and even change his style in order to achieve that goal. Two: The less astute shooter will determine he needs to reduce recoil, so that his current style and set of skills can remain the same, but attempt to reach a better result.

    Shooter Two is wrong.
    I strongly disagree. Less recoil is always better.

    That is why there is a push from the SOF side to have an integrated MB/FH.
    That is why people who set world records run huge comps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve-0- View Post
    IG already quoted you and made valid points.

    That being said, we've earned a reputation equal to BCM or Colt due to the fact that we hold the same, if not higher standards and have the same certs they do from the bolt manufatucters. We chose NP3 because is consistently makes the guns run with little to no lubrication and is a breeze to clean after 5k+ rounds even with a suppressor. Our LE customers as well as commercial customers both agree, we put out solid products. From barrels to bolts to LPK's. SIONICS isnt a new company, just newer to the commercial market.
    I would like, if one can be posted, a photo of a cam-pin, and a bolt, done in NP3, that has seen 5K+ rounds of use suppressed. I want to see how the coating holds up. I know Chrome fails fast on cam-pins, so I am curious about NP3.

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