--PARIS ATTACKS--: shootings in city centre and explosion at Stade de France (NSFW)

Originally Posted by Big A

This whole mess begs these questions:

Where was the surveillance state in all this?

How did they not know this was coming?

Are the French not using the same electronic surveillance methods that our benevolent overlords here in the U.S. are?

Have the goat ****ers figured out how to avoid the surveillance methods or are the people doing the tracking so inept at it that the goat ****ers out smarted them?

If the Europeans have the same level of Intel that we do then all the phone monitoring, email reading, text snatching, tweet watching, Facebook stalking, etc, seems really rather pointless, no?

I saw something about this, this morning. There are claims that the French were warned and that some electronic traffic had been intercepted.
Part of the information was pulled from X-Box traffic via communications during a online gaming session. Now, think about that. Pretty damned sneaky to mix that in with a bunch of gamers geeking out on a session of Modern Warfare isn't it?
The only way to do it is to go door to door in some sort of Kristalnacht type operation and start pulling folks out of bed at night and lining them up in the streets for an "Interview" followed by deportation.
Unfortunately that would shred the Constitution and make Hillary shit a pickle. That Constitution thingy only works when she wants it to.

I myself have been wondering how hundreds of thousands of people march across multiple countries without notice until they are on your doorstep. To say the governments did not know a thing would be like saying all people have an IQ of 10 or less. Maybe this is how ISIS appeared out of no where. Maybe if our gov't can't track a horde of hundreds of thousands, we do not need to worry about them tracking that email we just sent.

Originally Posted by Big A

Where was the surveillance state in all this?

How did they not know this was coming?

Are the French not using the same electronic surveillance methods that our benevolent overlords here in the U.S. are?

A few answers:

1) The French government doesn't exactly have the broad, sweeping, intrusive power that was given to the United States Government after 9/11. I expect they will grant themselves that power shortly.

2) That's kind of always the question when a bomb goes off or someone shoots up a place.

3) The main reason why nobody is using "the same electronic surveillance methods" is because they cost a lot. Snowden's revelation is the tip of the iceberg.

Originally Posted by Big A

If the Europeans have the same level of Intel that we do then all the phone monitoring, email reading, text snatching, tweet watching, Facebook stalking, etc, seems really rather pointless, no?

They do not.

Originally Posted by Dienekes

"Massive air strikes" my ass. 10 aircraft, 20 bombs...In Vietnam a 4 ship flight of F-4s carried 48 750 pounders, and that was all in a day's work. A B-52F could carry 108 500 pounders. All of which usually hit the ground somewhere.

...and all of which had little effect (in that war).

Word out of al Raqqah is that last weekend was the loudest and most destructive bombing so far. The ground shook, houses were damaged, and people are scared. Streets are empty and ISIS has shifted most of it's fighters away from the city to avoid being killed. The people are abandoned. Unlike every other night of bombing, there was no anti-aircraft fire in response (since they fled).

Residents are also saying there were at least twice as many "booms" as France has reported, which leads me to believe they weren't the only ones raining hell on the capital of Evil...

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

There Are No Safe Spaces
http://kunstler.com/cluster****-nati...o-safe-spaces/

"So many forces are in motion now and they are all tending toward criticality. The European Union may not survive the reestablishment of boundaries, since it was largely based on the elimination of them. Spain and Portugal are back to breaking down politically again. The Paris bloodbath has discredited Angela Merkel’s plea for “tolerance” — of what is proving to be an intolerable alien invasion. The only political figure on the scene who doesn’t appear to be talking out of his ass is Vlad Putin, who correctly stated at the UN that undermining basic institutions around the world was not a good idea."

I say again,

Originally Posted by Outlander Systems

Which rights should we give up next!?

European Commission (bureaucratic, non-elected govt of EU) announced that they plan to impose new European Firearms Directive by the end of this year. Current, strongly contested draft of this new Directive imposes total ban on privte possesion of semi-automatic firearms both on permit or w/o permit. "Lighter" version excluded handguns, but most probably they will go full retard on that. All for safety and security of EU slav.... oops!... citizens, you know.

Post#7:

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

"EU Patriot Act" in 3...2...

The leaders of Europe were not sleeping when they watched one of the free-est countries in the world turn into a shitty authoritarian surveillance state after 9/11.

I certainly don't think they intentionally did anything to hasten this, but they definitely knew it was coming and have been waiting to capitalize on it.

...and that's something both LePen and Merkel can agree on.

Watch the "new French laws" become the model for other changes...

You know its the end times when I agree with KalashniKEV.

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

Post#7:

The leaders of Europe were not sleeping when they watched one of the free-est countries in the world turn into a shitty authoritarian surveillance state after 9/11.

I certainly don't think they intentionally did anything to hasten this, but they definitely knew it was coming and have been waiting to capitalize on it.

REPORT: At Least 50,000 Europeans Joined ISIS – ISIS Operative Claims THOUSANDS Were Sent Back Home

A conference of the European police officials was told in September this year that there are around 50,000 European fighters in the ranks of the terror outfit Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

“During a discussion on the threat posed by the ISIS in Europe, we were told that there were around 50,000 Europeans who have joined the ranks of the terror outfit. It makes Europe very vulnerable to terror attacks from these fighters who can come back any day and who also know major cities there from the back of their hands,” said Sharad Kumar, a participant in the conference as the director general of National Investigation Agency (NIA)...

AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe.

The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees.

The ISIS smuggler, who is in his thirties and is described as having a trimmed jet-black beard, revealed the ongoing clandestine operation is a complete success.

“Just wait,” he smiled...