--PARIS ATTACKS--: shootings in city centre and explosion at Stade de France (NSFW)

Well I guess the "Master Mind" they were looking for was scraped off of the wall paper, DNA evidence on the scene say's they got him.

Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn

Why send them over with the refugees? How are you going to get their bombs and guns and ammunition and money in? Why not smuggle your turderists in with the weapons and money?

Or if you have to, get them in on student visas. Or bring the guns and money first, then have them come in on tourist visas for the op.

There are lots of ways to bring people in, putting them through the 18-24 month process of being vetted before they're allowed into the US as refugees (during which time their training with ISIS or another terrorist organization could easily come up)... Is inefficient. And doing it once shuts down the pipeline. The US isn't going to shutdown student and tourist visas because of a few turds - not for long, anyway. But the US will shut down the influx of 'fugees like a faucet, as evidenced by how many people are crying for it to happen, even though there is no evidence that ISIS has used refugees as cover for their operations.

Actually, to me, having them be refugees is much less disturbing than having them be native born citizens.

Assuming they are all native born citizens of Europe and they have turned on society, mostly a cradle to grave socialist society by the way that, then Europe as we know it today, is lost. It will rot from within and adding still more refugees that will, in one or 2 generations, not assimilate into greater pan-European culture, but will instead fight and die to destroy European civilization as we know it and erect a new Caliphate in Europe. That Caliphate will turn Notre Dame into a mosque and burn the contents of the Louvre.

People need to understand that Paris will be the new Constantinople if something isn't done to either stem the tide of the invasion or assimilate those invaders into Western European civilization. So far, since 1962, option number two has not seemed to be working. (End of the French/Algerian War) I had a French girlfriend in college in 1994-5 and the Algerian refugees from 2 generations earlier were not assimilated at that time and intentional set themselves apart from the rest of society.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Oct. 23, 1983 tells me they are/were terrorists.

Some of your views are off the charts.......

You bolded the word Hezbollah... how come?

I can only speak from personal experience, but the Hezbollah officer in our IOBC class was tough as nails and, had better Infantry skills than some of our American peers.

Anyway, the Beirut barracks bombing was not carried out by Hezbollah, but by a different party to the civil war- called Islamic Jihad Organization (IJO). There were certainly interlocking memberships, just like there were in the early days of ISIS and AQ before they started fighting, but it's an important distinction to make if people are going to have a factual discussion.

Because Hezbollah emerged as the dominant Shia political party out of the Lebanese civil war, it became imperative to a certain entity to connect their name to the bombing, and most countries do differentiate between the military wing of the party and the political party (if they choose to list them as a terror organization). We still list them as a "Terror Organization" just to keep a certain entity happy, but train their Army and no longer list them as a threat to the United States... because they're not.

On the ground today, Hezbollah is taking back territory from ISIS and arming and training the Christian Militia they once fought.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/they-ac...ebanon/210088/

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

You bolded the word Hezbollah... how come?

I can only speak from personal experience, but the Hezbollah officer in our IOBC class was tough as nails and, had better Infantry skills than some of our American peers.

Anyway, the Beirut barracks bombing was not carried out by Hezbollah, but by a different party to the civil war- called Islamic Jihad Organization (IJO). There were certainly interlocking memberships, just like there were in the early days of ISIS and AQ before they started fighting, but it's an important distinction to make if people are going to have a factual discussion.

Because Hezbollah emerged as the dominant Shia political party out of the Lebanese civil war, it became imperative to a certain entity to connect their name to the bombing, and most countries do differentiate between the military wing of the party and the political party (if they choose to list them as a terror organization). We still list them as a "Terror Organization" just to keep a certain entity happy, but train their Army and no longer list them as a threat to the United States... because they're not.

On the ground today, Hezbollah is taking back territory from ISIS and arming and training the Christian Militia they once fought.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/they-ac...ebanon/210088/

Islamic Jihad was the cover name used by Hezbollah. It was in fact a part of that organization, like "Al Qaeda in Iraq" was a sub-branch of Al Qaeda or like Al Nusra is now. Same-o same-o.

I am flabbergasted that Hezbollah is trained by the U.S. Seriously some f****d up shit there.

Iran is also fighting ISIS, but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't our "best buds" either.

Hezbollah, unlike the PLO, has drawn American blood.....a lot of it, albeit decades ago. Had they not attacked the USMC barracks in Beirut they would not have the ire of many Americans like they currently do. I'm pretty sure if you ask some of these older vets (like in their early to mid 50's) what they think of Hezbollah it would be quite similar to what our current guys think about Al Qaeda or the Taliban i.e. not very popular.

I still am aghast that you've trained with Hezbollah. I can say that it is not a well-known fact, and likely for a reason. Curious as to when we started training them? Gee, could it have been under Obama? EDIT: Lemme guess, they were Lebanese Army officers, right?

Originally Posted by Honu

OK lets look at it another way what is it over 50 billion dollars or something they say to bring these people in and the unknown amount and crime related to them etc...


we should put the money it costs to bring these people in and spend it on helping the vets

Or maybe anyone's other American citizen!

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Islamic Jihad was the cover name used by Hezbollah. It was in fact a part of that organization, like "Al Qaeda in Iraq" was a sub-branch of Al Qaeda or like Al Nusra is now. Same-o same-o.

Not same-o, same-o... at all.

Same-o, same-o only works if you really don't want to discuss the details, or if you don't really have any knowledge of the subject.

That's how they fool you.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

I still am aghast that you've trained with Hezbollah. I can say that it is not a well-known fact, and likely for a reason. Curious as to when we started training them? Gee, could it have been under Obama?

This was under Bush's first term.

Obama did send the Georgia National Guard to go train the Lebanese Army in 2011 though:



Probably everyone with a helmet is either Hezbollah or Amal.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Islamic Jihad was the cover name used by Hezbollah.

Still chuckling about this one.

Did you know ISIS is the cover name used by Chevrolet?

DRIVE FORD!

Originally Posted by ABNAK

EDIT: Lemme guess, they were Lebanese Army officers, right?

Yes, Army Officers go to Army school. In every class there are a certain number of foreign nationals from allied nations... even literal, "card carrying" members of Hezbollah.

If we re-calibrate our foreign policy to represent the national interest, Hezbollah would be dropped from the list of terror organizations too. There's only one reason they stay on there, and it's really just a silly name game.

Indonesia - The religion of peace strikes again.

In compliance with Islamic demands, Indonesian authorities in the Aceh region have started to tear down Christian churches. Their move comes after Muslim mobs rampaged and attacked churches. At least one person was killed; thousands of Christians were displaced...

"We will not stop hunting Christians and burning churches. Christians are Allah's enemies!"

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

Not same-o, same-o... at all.

Same-o, same-o only works if you really don't want to discuss the details, or if you don't really have any knowledge of the subject.

That's how they fool you.

Read the book "The Root". Pretty detailed. I also lived through that time (I was in Infantry OSUT at Benning when it happened). How you are an expert on Hezbollah and their doings 30+ years ago is a mystery to me. Current intel-type stuff? Yeah, you might have an insider's advantage, but 32 years ago? Nah, I ain't buyin' it. Did those Lebanese Army officers (the Hezzie ones) fill you with misinformation?

Oh, please don't blame Reagan for the "hype" about Hezbollah as you see it. We all know you hate GWB but let's not get out of our lane time-wise, shall we? You have a hard-on for Bush but you served under him so your opinion is based on that (I don't have to agree with it but you lived it). You didn't serve under Reagan.....I did.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Oh, please don't blame Reagan for the "hype" about Hezbollah as you see it. We all know you hate GWB but let's not get out of our lane time-wise, shall we?

How are you managing to work GWB into this?

Anyway, this is realpolitik. Only the national interest matters.

Educate yourself on the Situation and try not to deal in hand waves and same-o's. Sometimes discussing the War on here is like trying to explain car engines to a German Shepherd. The future of our civilization depends on people's ability to analyze information, call BS when they see it, and support/ plan and execute operations that lead to favorable outcomes.

We can't afford to fall for propaganda anymore- and thankfully for all of mankind, in the information age it's very, very hard to keep a secret anymore.