--PARIS ATTACKS--: shootings in city centre and explosion at Stade de France (NSFW)

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

Take a look at anyone's feelings towards Israel... shit, Netanyahu has a warrant out for his arrest in Spain.

They turned themselves into a pariah state, not anyone else.

Let me tie it all together and then we can move on- we live in the information age, it's impossible to sell the same BS you could just 15 years ago. People who do not adapt to modern times can't understand this and that's why their old bag of tricks are useless. This frustrates them and leads them to become angry (or they just brush it off and dismiss it like Putin).

As we dismissed the Budapest Memorandum and watched Ukraine shrink, so should we dismiss all old obligations and entitlement relationships and weigh all things at current value.

Yes, Spain has done so. In an astonishing double standard and bias of omission, yes, relying on the UN as arbiters of truth no less.

Your general point about the media age is valid, but perhaps More so than the ability to disprove misinformation is the power of the media to spread potent lies. Especially when said lies are what is desired to be heard. Take a look at who is hating Israel: Muslims, self-extinguishing liberals following the lead of Muslims, and the Slavic nations of old fashioned anti-Semitic nationalism. A picture emerges about Europe in its current haze. Europe hates Israel because Israel knows who they are and come hell or high water they will not be extinguished. Europe could stand to take a lesson from Israel in this matter.

KalashniKEV,

Are you of Middle Eastern descent?

Originally Posted by Abraham

KalashniKEV,

Are you of Middle Eastern descent?

No, I'll wager he's of European ancestry (like the majority of the country, for now at least), but I may be wrong. He's just an apologist. He is strangely similar to a guy on TOS named Bohr_Adam. He too is ostensibly an Army officer who is pretty much liberal and poo-poos others constantly in just about any thread. "Above the fray", always in-the-know, and dismissive of others consistently.....quite the perpetual contrarian. Either he's one and the same or they share an uncanny persona.

I'm an American and I place the national interest above any tribe, superstition, pigmentation, or regional identity (although I do tawk funny to some).

If I remember not-so-honest Abe correctly, he is 100% beholden to his tribe and their interests, above those of America.

...and that's a cool way to be, seriously.

Just don't expect us to sacrifice on your behalf, and at our expense.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

He is strangely similar to a guy on TOS named Bohr_Adam.

Don't know that guy, but I'll check him out. I'm KalashniKEV on most all sites.

KalashniKEV gets a bad rap. I don't agree with him probably at all politically but I'm assuming he's seeing something I don't and while I don't agree, I cannot judge..

I've chased a windmill or two myself.

Originally Posted by Firefly

KalashniKEV gets a bad rap.

I disagree, it is earned, worked hard for and well earned.

I've chased a windmill or two myself.

Not like that you haven't.

Originally Posted by Firefly

KalashniKEV gets a bad rap. I don't agree with him probably at all politically but I'm assuming he's seeing something I don't and while I don't agree, I cannot judge..

I've chased a windmill or two myself.

I have come to like reading his dissenting opinions actually, at least when they are civil.

Originally Posted by crusader377

Here would be my initial 6 step for the Middle East and ISIS.

1) Halt importation of all Muslim refugees and Muslim immigrants from Middle Eastern nations Yes
2) Fast track the Keystone Pipeline and domestic energy production with the goal of completely weaning us from Saudi oil. Without oil, the importance of the Middle East to the U.S. becomes sub-Sahara Africa which means minimal. Yes
3) Behind to the scenes give an ultimatum to the Saudi's and Gulf states who are the biggest source of funding from both ISIS and AQ on 9/11. Halt all funding of these groups within 30 days of face consequences. Initial consequence would be seize all Saudi assets in U.S. banks, etc...., would increase from there. No. At-center-stage release the 28 Pages detailing the House of Saud's involvement in 9/11 based on the interrogation of Abu Z.
4) No more foreign aid to countries that hate us. Yes
5) Aggressive air campaign backed by ground troops with sole mission to hunt and kill ISIS. No more nation building. Yes
6) Make it very clear behind the scenes that if any state who funds or supports terrorists like ISIS or AQ will receive punitive military action against them if there is a mass casualty attack on the U.S. (For example, let's say there is an attack similar to Paris in the U.S. and lets say it is found that the Saudi funding is involved, in response, perhaps the Kaaba or black cube in Mecca may be tomahawked or something similar.)No. Not behind the scenes. Immediate war with the Monarchies- to punish the terror they have already funded and facilitated.

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

Also:

7) No aid to Israel.

8) Israeli nuclear disarmament and no bomb for Iran.

9) Expose Turkish collaboration with ISIS:
a- Deal to trade Kobane for diplomats/ stall Peshmerga
b- Inernational ISIS recruits transported on Turkish buses to the border (both masterminded and financed by Bandar Bush)
c- ISIS receives Turkish food
d- ISIS fighters in Turkish military hospital at Sanliurfa
e- Turkish Army trains ISIS at Duzce and Adapazari
f- Turkey supports ISIS financially through purchase of heavily discounted oil ($800M)

10) Support for secular governance. Rekindle the Ba'ath Party flame.

11) Throw in heavy behind Assad to take back Aleppo and some of what was lost.

12) New flags and new governments for:
a- "New Iraq" (currently IS territory)
b- Babylon (currently Iraq)
c- The Land of the Two Shrines (Currently Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, and Oman)
d- Kemalia (currently Turkey)
e- South Kurdistan (currently KRG)

13) Investigation into the road to war with Iraq followed by indictments, trials, and punishment for the architects of the war.

On Turkey:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...b_6128950.html

And I actually think this is a pretty good plan, with the obvious exception of the absurdity of dragging Israel into the elimination of world wide Islamic jihad. That is certainly not a necessary component but yeah let's let all the Jews be massacred so Muslims everywhere (jihadist or not) do not have to be aggravated by their existence...

Please keep the thread about the topic, not the members. Thanks.

Roger that......

NYDailyNews falsely alleged an AK pistol sold by Century Arms in the US was used in the Paris attacks, and illegally exported. No apologies have thus far been made.

Florida-based gun dealer known for supporting NRA is linked to weapon used in Paris terror attacks

One of the guns used by ISIS terrorists to slaughter 130 people in Paris was once owned by a Florida-based online firearms dealer with close ties to the NRA.

The M92 semiautomatic pistol — made by a Serbian arms factory — was imported into the U.S. by Century Arms, a Delray Beach-based company in 2013, the head of a Serbian arms factory revealed Friday to The Associated Press.

It remained unclear how the weapon made its way back across the Atlantic — and into the hands of Islamic militants.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2462573

AP later recants the story:

In a Dec. 10 story, The Associated Press incorrectly reported that a gun exported by a Serbian manufacturer to a Florida-based company was involved in the Nov. 13 Paris attacks. In fact, the gun in question was not involved in the attacks and has been in Mexican government custody since March of this year, according to U.S. authorities.

The AP report was based on information from the Serbian gun manufacturer Zastava, which cited to AP an advisory from the Serbian Interior Ministry. The advisory quoted Interpol authorities as saying a gun manufactured by Zastava with a particular serial number was used in Paris. The AP story should have made clear that the connection between a Zastava gun with that serial number and the Paris attacks was based only on this advisory.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-de...183811002.html

Complete coverage at this link:

https://www.oathkeepers.org/dont-exp...ror-gun-fails/

“Florida-based gun dealer known for supporting NRA is linked to weapon used in Paris terror attacks,” The New York Daily News gleefully accused, taking full advantage of what they perceived to be another “Gotcha!” against guns. Importer and manufacturer Century Arms has been the target a hit piece by the same hateful and subversive propaganda rag that smeared a conservative San Bernardino murder victim as the moral equivalent of his Islamist executioners.

Another Fast-and-Furious gun?

And there’s yet another possibility. Maybe the gun really was found in Paris, and the government doesn’t want threads pulled to find out how it got there.

That’s the problem when relying on known liars for information, especially when they’re also utterly ruthless in advancing an agenda they’ll never spell out in detail for us — at least until such time as they believe no one can stop them.

Do you trust the government?