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Thread: LMT upper vs BCM upper

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifleshooter View Post
    Have and of the pins used by LM&T ever given a problem?
    I've never seen a problem with an AR with straight pins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rifleshooter View Post
    Have any of the pins used by LM&T ever given a problem?
    lol there are those that appreciate the straight pins, when attempting to change out the FSB.

    and i definitely wouldn't let that hold you up. like gotm4 mentioned, LMT may have switched.

    if you want a good in-depth review, take a look here http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81462
    . they give excellent breakdown on several of the main platforms, with pluses and minus on each. and i think Rob-s helped on this eval. they also give the LMT platform a solid "buy" recommendation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    LMT does use straight pins but I think they may have recently switched.
    We have two new LMT uppers that have pins that are flat and flush with the surface of the FSB. The right side of the pins do appear larger than the left side. I haven't removed/knocked one out to see if it indeed is a taper pin just with flat ends.

    I remember reading it two or three different places that the straight pins are much harder for gunsmiths to disassemble than the taper pins, I may be a little off the mark, but it makes me belive that the straight pins may offer a more secure attachment method. Not that the taper pins are in anyway a weak method. I would like to see someone with experience on both chime in, just out of curiosity.

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    I have heard LMT overbores their barrles to accommodate the thickness of the chroming. Does BCM do the same? How is the accuracy potential between the two? Also who makes BCM barrels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhs1969 View Post
    I remember reading it two or three different places that the straight pins are much harder for gunsmiths to disassemble than the taper pins, I may be a little off the mark, but it makes me belive that the straight pins may offer a more secure attachment method. Not that the taper pins are in anyway a weak method. I would like to see someone with experience on both chime in, just out of curiosity.
    I've removed a lot of taper pins and straight pins. In my experience I find the LMT straight pins one of the the easiest to remove.
    To me the Stag taper pins are the most difficult to remove, Stag also installs them from the left side of the gun....don't know why.
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    Full auto and LMT

    I'm not intending this to be some know-it-all been there and I know better statement so please just take it for what it's worth. I hang out with a few class 3 guys and have handled and ran rounds through just about everything out there so here's my 2 cents. And please don't ask to give some resume blurb, because I could care less about yours. Once again, no offense intended.

    The LMT debate is kind of comical because LMT makes the uppers and lowers for most names out there including Colt. However; understanding that a mil-spec upper and lower with M-4 feed ramps is not the be all end all here goes.

    I've seen every brand of military grade and upper end custom brand have issues when on sustained full auto fire (Beta Mag take it out 'em), except Noveske that is. If it's not a barrell deformation issue, it's the gas tube melting (pardon me for those piston guys out there, that's a whole other discussion). They are all great and the quality in that level of a product is as reliable a tool with that demand placed on it as it can be. It all boils down to what they are going to do when you need them to replace it, and if you are doing more than the occasional M-4 carbine class, chances are you'll need to call them at some point. Who's the company on the other end that treats you with great customer service and won't make you wait 3 months for a replacement.

    I know in my experience LMT has been on the ball quickly and they are known throughout the upper end shops. If you're in a bind you may be able to get help and/or a replacement from a shop that knows LMT and let them deal with LMT while you go do your thing. BCM?, well I don't know of anyone other than Bravo Company that deals with them. Probably wrong there, I've been known to be.

    Kind of like needing to pick a bank that's at least National level. When you're away from home, you can get problems dealt with quickly without a lot of special concerns.

    Bottom line, if you're pushing your weapon continuously it won't matter who makes it, you'll need to call for help eventually. They need to not only be willing to, but be able to with the market demands that are on all weapons manufacturers these days.
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    Dude, you just resurrected a year and a half old thread to essentially say that things break? Please read the stickies and familiarize yourself with the site.
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