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It's here and it's in and ITS BUILT !!
Last edited by bigjack7440; 12-21-15 at 09:30.
I run seekins and they while sharp on the edges they are very smooth in operation, i also have a couple noveske sts and am very happy with those
When it comes to mag releases i run norgon and a couple knights that while huge have a role in speed drills etc...
Last edited by DSZM4; 12-19-15 at 10:57.
Rocketman, I left BAD in late 2014 to start Forward Controls
Re: screws vs. something else. it seems to me that we (my name is one of two on the patent) used something simple and reliable, with minimum parts count increase, and became the target for all the subsequent safety manufacturers that would do anything to differentiate theirs from ours.
Speaking in general terms, different isn't always better, I'd consider being better as a design goal, but not being different.
During my time at BAD, I tried all the safeties the market had to offer. One of them used a spring loaded detent to secure the dovetailed lever, on both sides. It's true that safety doesn't use screws, but replaced it with two threaded rods that contained spring loaded detents. In order to install or remove the lever, one needs an unbent paperclip or punch of just the right size.
Parts count more than doubled from simple screws to something that doesn't use screws to secure the levers.
FN SCAR uses screws to secure the lever too. Almost everything in our lives has screws , the consternation about screws is unwarranted.
When I was a Battle Arms partner, I would speak about our products without comparing them with others. I'm not there anymore, so I'm more inclined to share more of the design philosophy of something that I know quite a bit about.
Roger Wang
Forward Controls Design
Simplicity is the sign of truth
I am a sample of one, so take this with a grain of salt - I liked the idea of the reversible barrel for 90 degree and short throw, the price was right so I ordered the Seekins. Since the furniture on that build is FDE, I also ordered their extended mag release in FDE.
Overall, remember, this is just me, the items were a little too blingy for my taste, kind of shiny, and the safety levers are sharp. Also, if I was the type that was perusing the web and saw 'Oh, shiny, I need to get this for mine!' the instructions provided - none - would not be adequate. This is a little off track, but for my money Geissele and ALG set the standard for instructions provided with their products. FWIW.
Mag release is GTG - I was initially concerned about adjusting it to work with my Troy ambi mag release, but I just bottomed it out and it works fine.
Safety is another matter, I was replacing a Noveske short throw, which had run smoothly in the lower, the Seekins piece was much stiffer and required more effort. Thinking that it would smooth out, I put a couple drops of bore research honing oil in the detent valleys, and worked that thing back and forth for a couple minutes, not much improvement.
I just happened to have 3 new CMMG ambi safeties hanging on the wall for future builds, so I took one of them out of the package and installed it - butter smooth. In fact, if I didn't want a short lever on the left side of the receiver (I'm a lefty) I would have left it in, it was smoother than the Noveske.
I did not care to swap the Seekins into any other receivers, so IDK if it was just this receiver.
I am not bagging on Seekins, I think they make quality stuff, just pointing out that with these weapons, there are minute differences which may cause one part to not work as smoothly as another. The Seekins unit is in my box and I'll try it on the next receiver I put together, it will probably work fine.
JMO
There are many factors that affect a safety's rotational resistance, if you go to Battle Arms' forum here or TOS, you can still find the articles I posted on troubleshooting and remedies![]()
Roger Wang
Forward Controls Design
Simplicity is the sign of truth
I've got a bunch of the BAD safeties and have now grabbed two of the V7 ones. OP, V7 also sells very high quality AMBI short throw safeties. Limited (non-existent) lever choices however.
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