Eotech EXPS3 initial Cold Weather test

[Pork Chop]

You can pretty much guarantee that the majority of people seeking a refund never had an issue with the zero.

I'm guessing the majority just want to offload their RDS for retail value.
Others are just flaking out about EOTech going out of business or saying they can't "trust" the optic anymore.

I don't think there could possibly be a worse group of followers than "we" gun people. If LAV came on here today and said he used snot to lube his training guns, overnight that would become "the" new popular thing. (no disrespect, just making a point).

I would wager less than 5% (that's generous) of the people on this forum will ever shoot in the conditions required to make these fail. Ever. Me included. Aimpoint is great, we already knew that. We knew that before all of us bought an Eotech, yet bunches of us still did. The company lied to keep from costing itself a multi-million dollar recall program over a defect that 99.999% of users will never find/realize? Wow, that's called business. The military/Leo implications aside, (I understand the gov dumping them) the civilian mass exodus from Eotech is ridiculous. I think the whole thing is pretty laughable. If General Motors was to come out and say that they discovered if you drive your suburban at speeds above 150 mph, it "may" cause mild drivetrain problems, I'm pretty sure I'd be ok with the knowledge, knowing that the likelihood of me using it in those conditions is near zero.


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[wolf_walker]

if they do release the returns you can bet it will be as an airsoft product with a big disclaimer "Not for duty or self defense use".

I'd still buy a handful if they were cheap enough, eotech on my .22, eotech on my lever 3030, eotech on my toaster, eotech on my slingshot, eotech hood ornament....



Can anyone think of a product, in the consumer market, that something went south like this and they were bought back no questions asked
at retail price in masse? It's got to have happened but I can't think of it, especially years after the fact. I don't see VW rushing to buy back
TDI's with that ongoing fiasco.

[Wake27]

I don't think there could possibly be a worse group of followers than "we" gun people. If LAV came on here today and said he used snot to lube his training guns, overnight that would become "the" new popular thing. (no disrespect, just making a point).

I would wager less than 5% (that's generous) of the people on this forum will ever shoot in the conditions required to make these fail. Ever. Me included. Aimpoint is great, we already knew that. We knew that before all of us bought an Eotech, yet bunches of us still did. The company lied to keep from costing itself a multi-million dollar recall program over a defect that 99.999% of users will never find/realize? Wow, that's called business. The military/Leo implications aside, (I understand the gov dumping them) the civilian mass exodus from Eotech is ridiculous. I think the whole thing is pretty laughable. If General Motors was to come out and say that they discovered if you drive your suburban at speeds above 150 mph, it "may" cause mild drivetrain problems, I'm pretty sure I'd be ok with the knowledge, knowing that the likelihood of me using it in those conditions is near zero.


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Well said.


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[azoutdoorsman]

I like your comment "I am not a freeloader".So anyone who has had a issue with there EOtech like I have had with mine and sent back to EOtech to make it right is a freeloader?Just curious? If your EOtech is trouble free good for you.Don,t lump all folks into one basket who have had issues with there EOtechs.

If you had a problem that's one thing. If you've never had a problem, that's freeloading.

Late 90's to mid 00's Porsches are known to have an intermediate shaft bearing fail. If it failed under warranty, they would fix it. If the car was out of warranty, customer paid. No one got a full refund for their whole (used) car, especially if it was problem free. The bearing would grenade the engine and was a $8k or more repair.

Those returning their used Eotechs for full refund are now setting a difficult and unfair precedent for manufacturers and retailers to oblige.

[azoutdoorsman]

Let me see, the company lied, committed fraud, covered up and built iffy sights but still has happy end users. Well I hope when they finally fail it will not be at a time when they are truly needed but knowing Murphy.......

Eotechs have been used to shoot quite a number of people in the face, in varying temperatures.

If you believe this whole ordeal has no political motive, that's awful naive.

[azoutdoorsman]

I just wanna know where I can buy one of those returned sights cheap, surely they aren't just going to junk em all.

Me too. Can't wait for the "improved" version.

[azoutdoorsman]

I used a 512 for a very long time until I switched to a EXPS2-2. Never had a problem with it either. That was until this past August. Both shut down on me in about 90-95 degree weather. Changed batteries, still nothing. Came back on after about an hour or so. If there was zero shift, it was negligible. That being said, before it came out they lied...whatever, they discovered a defect therefore fix my sights and I continue on with life. Knowing they lied and it's been an ongoing issue and essentially covered up? The hell with that, why should I trust them especially when I've had the very problem that was described in all this debacle? Minus the zero shift of course. Which mine could've shifted. I didn't bag it and check nor did I throw it in a rest to see. I had no idea it was a problem until recently, just thought it was some weird fluke.

I even contact Eotech and they played it all off telling me to send it in to be looked over by their people. I even think they used the words "very interested in this problem" in the email. **** them. They knew exactly what the problem was at the time they replied and typed a reply suggesting they were shocked that I typed that email regarding not just one but two of my sights. I may even still have the emails.

My EXPS was on my work rifle. The last thing I need is that thing to shut down and shift zero on me or shift period and me not know about it doing so. Therefore, it went back. Call me a freeloader, I really don't care. They lied, even played it off directly to me prior to this going public and I don't feel the least bit guilty about getting my money back from those shills.

I had similar problem with my Aimpoint T1. When I contacted Aimpoint they were also aware of the problem. Are they fraudsters too?

Turns out the battery cap required too much tightening force to complete the circuit and was unreliable. They handled it, I was satisfied.

[azoutdoorsman]

I run Aimpoints so I have no dog in this fight. My buddies that do have Eotech's are taking this opportunity to fix their original mistake and finally get an Aimpoint! They haven't had any problems but I preach the battery life thing and they are starting to listen. If they Eotechs never had any of these problems and just suffered from their Fisher Price battery life I say they are still worthless for defending your life. Im sure some may not agree but the battery life and auto turn off are deal breakers for me.

I would also love to see a torture test on the Eotech mimicking the LAV/DD Aimpoint test where they blew the glass out of the Aimpoint and the red dot was still there and on zero. Just curious to see.

The Aimpoint had zero shift in that test.

[azoutdoorsman]

The same crowd who bought them because of the .mil use are now returning them because of the lack of .mil use, regardless of issues.

I'm keeping mine.

No there were few, if any, reports of zero shift before this report because "most" people will never use them in those conditions.

Regardless, it is a free country for the time being and people can do as they see fit.

From what I've read, the military is still using them.

[wolf_walker]

If you had a problem that's one thing. If you've never had a problem, that's freeloading.


Those returning their used Eotechs for full refund are now setting a difficult and unfair precedent for manufacturers and retailers to oblige.

That is a very adult, responsible, practical and American view on the matter. Thank you.