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    Scientific data for quality of AR's and other Semi Auto platforms

    Is there any scientific based data and testing that proves one gun makers brand is better than another? I have a Ruger SR762 and I want to believe it would hold up in a real SHTF or battle scenerio. I know our troops use KAC rifles for .308 caliber urban combat and perhaps some use SCAR platforms. But I don't want to drop the extra $2-4000 for the name brand if an SR762 is going to have the same weight, accuracy, feel, and number of misfeeds or parts breaking as the next top tier rifle. Where is the data that shows one rifle is truely better than the next rifle other than small case studies of "my buddy shot 500 rounds with no jams" or "so and so's police units are using sig sauers so they must be the best" or "the machining and tooling is harder so the rifle must be better"? I need to know more than who won the popularity contest with the a amateurs. Where's the comparable data that proves a particular brand or a particular component made by a company is truly more reliable or accurate or any other criteria for a service rifle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrBroussard View Post
    Is there any scientific based data and testing that proves one gun makers brand is better than another? I have a Ruger SR762 and I want to believe it would hold up in a real SHTF or battle scenerio. I know our troops use KAC rifles for .308 caliber urban combat and perhaps some use SCAR platforms. But I don't want to drop the extra $2-4000 for the name brand if an SR762 is going to have the same weight, accuracy, feel, and number of misfeeds or parts breaking as the next top tier rifle. Where is the data that shows one rifle is truely better than the next rifle other than small case studies of "my buddy shot 500 rounds with no jams" or "so and so's police units are using sig sauers so they must be the best" or "the machining and tooling is harder so the rifle must be better"? I need to know more than who won the popularity contest with the a ameteurs. Where's the comparable data that proves a particular brand or a particular component made by a company is truly more reliable or accurate or any other criteria for a service rifle?
    No such information exists.

    But, being objective, I wouldn't worry too much about "a real SHTF or battle scenario". The likelihood that you will ever need to use your SR762 in such a situation is so tiny, it doesn't bear discussion. Were I in you situation, I'd just want to shoot your SR762 enough to be sure it's reliable, so you can trust it in a HD/SD situation, which won't be more than a few rounds, in the highly unlikely event you have to use it that way.

    Additionally, the state of the AR art has improved immensely, so most decent brands can serve as range fun shooters and SD/HD weapons without much worry.
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    Any weapon from any Manu can fail prematurely. Best to use and abuse it before theorizing on its quality, or lack of.
    Send lead or different brands/grains down range by the hundreds and train on the platform. Properly maintain it and see how it holds up. This will do wonders for your confidence in it, and your other weapons.

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    Stop worrying that someone has a "better" rifle than you. Mission drives gear, not the other way around. Proficiency and mindset trump equipment, every time. If you are training regularly and your rifle turns out to be a jam-o'-matic or something, you'll know how to fix it, or at least how to frame your question to your specific needs, rather than some generic "SHTFTEOTWAWKI, Ehrmagawd!" scenario.

    Assuming you actually go shoot the thing somewhat regularly, I'm betting your rifle is just fine. Save that money for a class, or more ammo, targets, and gas money.
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    That info usually comes from experience. Run some carbine courses and you will start to see the patterns emerge.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrBroussard View Post
    Is there any scientific based data and testing that proves one gun makers brand is better than another? I have a Ruger SR762 and I want to believe it would hold up in a real SHTF or battle scenerio. I know our troops use KAC rifles for .308 caliber urban combat and perhaps some use SCAR platforms. But I don't want to drop the extra $2-4000 for the name brand if an SR762 is going to have the same weight, accuracy, feel, and number of misfeeds or parts breaking as the next top tier rifle. Where is the data that shows one rifle is truely better than the next rifle other than small case studies of "my buddy shot 500 rounds with no jams" or "so and so's police units are using sig sauers so they must be the best" or "the machining and tooling is harder so the rifle must be better"? I need to know more than who won the popularity contest with the a amateurs. Where's the comparable data that proves a particular brand or a particular component made by a company is truly more reliable or accurate or any other criteria for a service rifle?



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    I do agree with OP. A commonly understood and honest scientific method to establish the strengths and weaknesses of a particular design or variation would be long overdue in these days of hiring the right spokesman and burying legitimate complaints instead of improving the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    That info usually comes from experience. Run some carbine courses and you will start to see the patterns emerge.
    Are there certain brands or components that show patterns you would advise to stay clear of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrBroussard View Post
    Are there certain brands or components that show patterns you would advise to stay clear of?
    If you spend 15 minutes on this site, you will find your answer. BCM, DD, Colt, LMT ... these folks are not some of the ones from which to steer clear.

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    Remember that Colt is the gold standard, some systems exceed it, others do not match it. I would consider a Colt as a baseline for possible serious use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrBroussard View Post
    Are there certain brands or components that show patterns you would advise to stay clear of?
    The pattern I saw was COLT firearms going down... Why?? Because that's what we were issued and we did stupid stuff with them. They were also so old that they looked like they were chromed in some spots from the finish being worn off. Boosting people on buildings by using the rifle and two people as a make shift boosting board is hard on rifles. dropping out of a hell hole, and having the weapon catch the opening end for end so you were dangling 50 feet above the ground was hard on rifles. Pulling weapons muzzle first around concrete corners because your battle buddy can't pie a corner is hard on rifles.

    All of these weapons started as quality tested weapons, but use is hard on any rifle.

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