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    Gotta play by the rules, regardless. Frankly, I'm shocked a company as mainstream as Stag let this get away from them. ESPECIALLY given the current political climate re: guns.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JC5188 View Post
    Gotta play by the rules, regardless. Frankly, I'm shocked a company as mainstream as Stag let this get away from them. ESPECIALLY given the current political climate re: guns.


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    I would bet they have been sloppy for a long time, and it finally caught up with them. I was looking in the articles to see mention of previous violations, but didn't see it. I would still be willing to bet they have had numerous violations during previous ATF inspections, but never were severely punished.

    Lesson to others, keep your books tight, hire good compliance people, etc....do not give them an excuse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    The 3000 firearms receivers were most likely not any kind of NFA violation, but most likely they did not record the serial numbers correctly or at all.
    I recall when this first came up last year that the report was that they were producing the lowers and moving them into the warehouse, but they were not entering the serial numbers into their records in any sort of timely manner. I.e., they were stamping serial numbers on the lowers but not making the corresponding entry into their records for each one produced, so they had no documentation of those 3000 lowers that the ATF counted in the warehouse. It's been a while, though, so I can't confirm if that was explained in an article or if that was word of mouth from a local forum member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ACR_Scout View Post
    I recall when this first came up last year that the report was that they were producing the lowers and moving them into the warehouse, but they were not entering the serial numbers into their records in any sort of timely manner. I.e., they were stamping serial numbers on the lowers but not making the corresponding entry into their records for each one produced, so they had no documentation of those 3000 lowers that the ATF counted in the warehouse. It's been a while, though, so I can't confirm if that was explained in an article or if that was word of mouth from a local forum member.

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    There were a number of receivers w/o serialization, and the excuse was that the engraver was on vacation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Where does the Constitution state that a firearm doesn't need a serial number? It doesn't. Everything in the Constitution is subject to some regulation. A serial in no way takes away your right to own or possess a firearm.

    The Constitution specifically lists what government may do. Dabbling in the firearms business(other than barring states from setting up tariffs and so on which goes for any product) including demanding serial numbers or other manufacturing techniques isn't listed in their allowed functions at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonB1 View Post
    The Constitution specifically lists what government may do. Dabbling in the firearms business(other than barring states from setting up tariffs and so on which goes for any product) including demanding serial numbers or other manufacturing techniques isn't listed in their allowed functions at all.
    This.
    I was gonna say where does the constitution say it can allow government to require businesses to serialize anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cokie View Post
    This.
    I was gonna say where does the constitution say it can allow government to require businesses to serialize anything?
    No one forced Stag or any other manufacture to get into the business of manufacturing guns. By getting all the licenses through the ATF you're agreeing to play by their rules.

    I don't get why people want to argue the legality of it. They got machines shops that can easily converted to manufacture something that doesn't require ATF overhead and still be profitable. If they want to be a gun manufacturers then they've agree to play with the ATF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Clerical error = lose your entire business.

    They should have simply been able to correct the error since it wasn't a "willful violation." Only in the firearms business can you lose EVERYTHING because you missed something on the books.

    The new owner should IMMEDIATELY relocate out of Connecticut.
    Except they had 8 years to fix the problem, and did not. Local gunstore had the same problem. They were nabbed a few years ago by the ATF for not properly completing 4473s. Promised to fix the problem and they did not, so they got their license revoked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulyAZ View Post
    No one forced Stag or any other manufacture to get into the business of manufacturing guns. By getting all the licenses through the ATF you're agreeing to play by their rules.

    I don't get why people want to argue the legality of it. They got machines shops that can easily converted to manufacture something that doesn't require ATF overhead and still be profitable. If they want to be a gun manufacturers then they've agree to play with the ATF.
    People want to argue the legality of it because we should all be arguing against these politicians who make these laws and regs making it difficult to acquire or outright preventing citizens from having products specifically protected by the constitution. In the country as created by our founding fathers, serial numbers should not get stag in trouble and I think anyone who agrees with Connecticut encourages the nanny state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulyAZ View Post
    No one forced Stag or any other manufacture to get into the business of manufacturing guns. By getting all the licenses through the ATF you're agreeing to play by their rules.

    I don't get why people want to argue the legality of it. They got machines shops that can easily converted to manufacture something that doesn't require ATF overhead and still be profitable. If they want to be a gun manufacturers then they've agree to play with the ATF.
    I don't think people are arguing your point, it's just a reminder that these laws shouldn't exist in the first place.

    Another example is NFA. 10.5" rifles should no longer be NFA items based on the intent of the law, and the whole thing is unconstitutional IMO, but we still play by the rules because it's much easier and more enjoyable to pay $200 and wait 6mo then to Try to stick it to the man and fight through the courts. But we still don't think it's right.

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