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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake27 View Post
    Probably because he wants an AR if it gets really bad and is limited on how many different firearms he can have.


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    Point considered but he said he has an UZI and MP5K. I'd sooner put a stock on an MP5K than try to multirole an AR from 9mm to 5.56 and back again. Or keep it 5.56. Weird situation he's vague on, but 9mm ARs can be fussy. Seems over-involved and counter-productive.

    YMMV/HMMV

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    as has been stated, 9mm is not worth the hassle especially considering your plan to get the glocks. youd have to be swapping buffers and mag blocks which requires punching a roll pin at the minimum and if you wanted it to be reliable, youd need to change the hammer/hammer spring. personally, even with all the go fast right parts, i would never trust a 9mm AR.

    the answer to your question is easy, a 22lr conversion is going to lead up your barrel and gas block/tube. not a good idea to scramble your go to upper with 22 gunk.

    go with a 10.3 upper and a dedicated 22lr upper for practice. look at the new magpul SL-K stock, or LWRC compact stock. or, a proprietary PDW stock such as the LWRC UCIW stock and buffer tube kit.

    case closed

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    To be clear, in Israel I happen to own a micro Uzi.

    In the USA I own a mini Uzi and MP5K both have been SBRed.

    I currently live due to work in an other country, where rifles are prohibited to the general public. Where firearm importation is no longer allowed.

    Due to my background I will become an adviser to the Minister of Police. I have been told I can ask for a pistol and a long gun as part of the job.

    I know from being in the military and police, that the "cool" guns go to generals and colonels or members of elite units. I never want anyone asking why does the gringo have a MP5k or mini Uzi or Colt commando. Because then I just might get it taken away from me.

    But a 40 year old hardly fired full sized M16 nobody will care. I can change out the upper and the stock for stuff that is better. In Israel I many times off duty carried a mini or micro Uzi in a bag rather than a Colt commando. It is a fact that even in a place like Israel where you see people all the time with a rifle slung over their shoulder sometimes it just isn't the thing to do.

    So I know I can put a commando upper on this lower and change out the stock with no problem. But I still have a void in having a covert shoulder fired PDW, which I thought I could fill with a 9mm conversion unit and a law tactical folding stock. If I were in a dangerous situation the 9mm would not be in the bag nor the stock folded, it would be ready. But I can't go into a mall with a rifle over my shoulder here. But a small PDW in a lap top bag no big deal nobody checks bags.

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    ok, not sure what your getting at here.

    1. a law folding adapter cannot be fired from the folded position.
    2. why would you want a slow to deploy, heavy, unreliable, and poor ballistic "pdw" when you could AIWB a glock?

    sounds to me like you need a short barreled AK.

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    If I could get a SBR AK then I could get a mini Uzi or MP5K.

    I got to be honest that I have used both a mini and micro Uzi for real and no they aren't rifles but they are easy to shoot fast and accurate. With old eyes at 25 to 50 meters I can shoot a subgun better than a pistol.

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    ok i understand now. maybe a draco ak pistol with 1 point slint and red dot? i just think the law adapter is a bad idea and really doesnt get the oal down that much. ive mentally masturbated over this pdw AR thing a lot and concluded if i have the time to remove a LAW equipped ar from a bag and un fold it, id have time to assemble the 2 take down pins on an upper and lower.

    you mentioned not attracting attention, imagine your full length 20" or whatever on this lower with the stock all the way open. it wouldnt attract any additional attention. this is a simple car stock cut down/shortened at the front to fit collapsed on LWRC's shortened buffer system (UCIW). you could fit this lower and a 10.3 5.56 upper in a back pack for your urban adventures. and if it has to be laptop, you could do a 7.5" which is what i think is pictured. youre losing ballistics etc, but still more reliable and less headache than swapping calibers.

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md...vcwo1_1280.jpg




    if old eyes are the problem, check out micro dots on service pistols,

    http://www.gunlistings.org/uploads/2..._rmr_99484.jpg

    i hardly consider myself a marksman and can make 50 yard pie shots standing using an RMR glock.

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    Operationally when covert on the street, we carried pistols and some of us in backup positions carried micro or mini Uzi's in bags.

    We had our pistols for immediate response to a close up threat and for longer threats would go to the Uzi's. It is not that slow to grab your sub gun in the bag, deploy the folding stock and rack a round into the chamber. All this can be done in a lot less time than assembling the upper and lower and pinning it together.

    I know what worked for us in high risk situations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFF...em-subs_digest

    Seems I am not the only one that sees value in a 9mm side folder for some missions.

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    The other issue is ammo. I can buy 9mm over the counter here so buying a bunch of ammo to stock pile cost money but it is possible.

    5.56 can not be bought here and even the military and police don't have enough of a supply. So 5.56 will have to come in via my checked bag a little at a time.

    Part of what I am trying to do under stupid laws is create as many options as possible.

    My greatest worry is can I get a 9mm converted gun to run 100%.

    You have to remember one thing for years we were forced to carry 9mm ball in our weapons and terrorist got killed with it.

    I promise you more terrorist have been killed in the latest series of terror attacks in Israel by 9mm ball than hollowpoints.

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    I don't think i or anyone else is trying to discredit the validity of a 9mm pdw carbine. Only in an AR platform. If someone made a direct impingement instead of blowback I'd be all over it! You might look at DI 10mm, .40, and .45 uppers that do not require anything other than the mag block and bolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal Dragger View Post
    This thread makes me glad I don't live in a totalitarian shit hole.

    Wish I could give the OP any good advice beyond that given. Sounds like the OP is in a rough spot.
    Not yet, that is. Already on the way there, and guaranteed once Hitlery steals her way into office.

    Quote Originally Posted by t15 View Post
    as has been stated, 9mm is not worth the hassle especially considering your plan to get the glocks. youd have to be swapping buffers and mag blocks which requires punching a roll pin at the minimum and if you wanted it to be reliable, youd need to change the hammer/hammer spring. personally, even with all the go fast right parts, i would never trust a 9mm AR.

    the answer to your question is easy, a 22lr conversion is going to lead up your barrel and gas block/tube. not a good idea to scramble your go to upper with 22 gunk.

    go with a 10.3 upper and a dedicated 22lr upper for practice. look at the new magpul SL-K stock, or LWRC compact stock. or, a proprietary PDW stock such as the LWRC UCIW stock and buffer tube kit.

    case closed
    I agree. 9mm PDWs are cool, but a 9mm AR is something for range use only for me personally.

    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    Operationally when covert on the street, we carried pistols and some of us in backup positions carried micro or mini Uzi's in bags.

    We had our pistols for immediate response to a close up threat and for longer threats would go to the Uzi's. It is not that slow to grab your sub gun in the bag, deploy the folding stock and rack a round into the chamber. All this can be done in a lot less time than assembling the upper and lower and pinning it together.

    I know what worked for us in high risk situations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFF...em-subs_digest

    Seems I am not the only one that sees value in a 9mm side folder for some missions.
    I've never seen a 9mm AK before. Very cool.
    Are you able to get your hands on an AK shortie? That might not be a bad option.

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