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    It's coming...VP9SK

    The gLoCksters can't stand that the VP is a better pistol in nearly every way and is priced to compete so now the mystique of the gLoCk 19 is its perfect size.

    I call baloney that you can tell millimeters of difference in size in your pants.

    I suppose I'm just not as well trained as some here or I'd be able to tell the difference. (Even though some are likely LE and carrying on a duty belt.)
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    I guess if the G19 is good enough for the Naval Special Warfare guys at the tip of the spear, it good enough for this gLOCkOHOLIC too. No, not perfection, but IMHO it is hard to beat * overall *. I have fallen off the Glock wagon many times. I have been on the HK, Sig, Walther and many other wagons but keep coming back to Glock. That being said, if some new hotness in the way of pistols comes out, I will probably give it a try because i have the disease. I would just say , get what works for you and get real good with it, or you are just kidding yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKGuns View Post
    The gLoCksters can't stand that the VP is a better pistol in nearly every way and is priced to compete so now the mystique of the gLoCk 19 is its perfect size.

    I call baloney that you can tell millimeters of difference in size in your pants.

    I suppose I'm just not as well trained as some here or I'd be able to tell the difference. (Even though some are likely LE and carrying on a duty belt.)
    I have two VP9's (as well as 4 other HK's) and two Glock's, both pistols have their plus's and minus's The Glock is easy to detail strip, The VP9 is much more complex, and it isn't recommended by the factory to detail strip. Glock has Much, much, more aftermarket support as well as parts availability. With the VP9, parts availability is limited to either Hk parts net or HKUSA (HKUSA is always cheaper) As far as carrying it goes, A lot of how well either pistol carries depends on the person's build, holster as well as other factors, for some, the G19 is better, others VP9. There is no "one size fit's all" here. One has to go with what works for them. Myself, I carry a G19, I can shoot it faster, more accurately than the VP9. I'm guessing, But, I think the lower bore axis of the Glock really comes into play here, as I've shot both side by side, and I've noticed for me, it takes longer for the VP9's front sight to settle down vs the Glock's. That, and the timer doesn't lie. One other thing.. price.. you are aware that HK is supposedly planning on hiking the price of the VP9 once production resume's aren't you? (If true, that's a huge mistake) One thing where the VP9 shined was on price, very competitive to Glock..raise that price by say $50-100 and your average Joe looking to buy a CCW will give the VP9 a glance on his way down to the Glock/M&P end of the counter... The reality is, they're both good pistols, for most people there isn't really an advantage with either, as most people are unable to shoot the guns to their full accuracy potential...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggy View Post
    I guess if the G19 is good enough for the Naval Special Warfare guys at the tip of the spear, it good enough for this gLOCkOHOLIC too.
    The needs of NSW are completely different than me gearing up to go to the mall with the family.


    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    One other thing.. price.. you are aware that HK is supposedly planning on hiking the price of the VP9 once production resume's aren't you? (If true, that's a huge mistake) One thing where the VP9 shined was on price, very competitive to Glock..raise that price by say $50-100 and your average Joe looking to buy a CCW will give the VP9 a glance on his way down to the Glock/M&P end of the counter... The reality is, they're both good pistols, for most people there isn't really an advantage with either, as most people are unable to shoot the guns to their full accuracy potential...
    Got a reference for that assertion? Anyway, if one already owns one, why would they care how much it costs "once production resumes"? I already own one, don't need to buy another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    The needs of NSW are completely different than me gearing up to go to the mall with the family.




    Got a reference for that assertion? Anyway, if one already owns one, why would they care how much it costs "once production resumes"? I already own one, don't need to buy another.
    Nothing solid... just bits and pieces I read over at HKpro hence, the "supposedly" part, and the (if true that's a huge mistake) part... Take it for what's it's worth, or better yet go over to HK pro and ask around yourself.. If one already owns one, (VP9) one shouldn't care.. But, the person in the market for a handgun, probably will care, and, that's the difference. HK guns brought the price point up, and I addressed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    I have two VP9's (as well as 4 other HK's) and two Glock's, both pistols have their plus's and minus's The Glock is easy to detail strip, The VP9 is much more complex, and it isn't recommended by the factory to detail strip. Glock has Much, much, more aftermarket support as well as parts availability. With the VP9, parts availability is limited to either Hk parts net or HKUSA (HKUSA is always cheaper) As far as carrying it goes, A lot of how well either pistol carries depends on the person's build, holster as well as other factors, for some, the G19 is better, others VP9. There is no "one size fit's all" here. One has to go with what works for them. Myself, I carry a G19, I can shoot it faster, more accurately than the VP9. I'm guessing, But, I think the lower bore axis of the Glock really comes into play here, as I've shot both side by side, and I've noticed for me, it takes longer for the VP9's front sight to settle down vs the Glock's. That, and the timer doesn't lie. One other thing.. price.. you are aware that HK is supposedly planning on hiking the price of the VP9 once production resume's aren't you? (If true, that's a huge mistake) One thing where the VP9 shined was on price, very competitive to Glock..raise that price by say $50-100 and your average Joe looking to buy a CCW will give the VP9 a glance on his way down to the Glock/M&P end of the counter... The reality is, they're both good pistols, for most people there isn't really an advantage with either, as most people are unable to shoot the guns to their full accuracy potential...
    I've heard something about the price hike too but we'll see. I'd venture to say you have substantial time with the G19 and with that said it's a great pistol. My point is simple and Glock guys get visibly upset when I bring it up. You're getting HK's legendary build quality, accuracy and ergonomics for about the same money and the VP9 has a better trigger out of the box!

    Quote Originally Posted by Biggy View Post
    I guess if the G19 is good enough for the Naval Special Warfare guys at the tip of the spear, it good enough for this gLOCkOHOLIC too. No, not perfection, but IMHO it is hard to beat * overall *. I have fallen off the Glock wagon many times. I have been on the HK, Sig, Walther and many other wagons but keep coming back to Glock. That being said, if some new hotness in the way of pistols comes out, I will probably give it a try because i have the disease. I would just say , get what works for you and get real good with it, or you are just kidding yourself.
    Don't forget their NSW's dedicated suppressed pistol is a HK45CT so I guess it's even. Let's not forget that ST6/CAG use HK416s and the Mark 23 is the most researched pistol ever. If you don't like the magazine release... that's understandable because a lot of people have trained on button type releases so that is a no go for some. The VP9 is the first striker fired HK has made since the P7 and guess what... on the first try they made a product that competes if not surpasses two popular Glocks with one pistol in the VP9! I too agree there's no perfect pistol for the masses but lets be real now. A Glock is a Honda Civic... cheap, reliable and you can customize them. Comparing the Glock to HK in the grand scheme of things is just humorous to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChunkNorris View Post
    I've heard something about the price hike too but we'll see. I'd venture to say you have substantial time with the G19 and with that said it's a great pistol. My point is simple and Glock guys get visibly upset when I bring it up. You're getting HK's legendary build quality, accuracy and ergonomics for about the same money and the VP9 has a better trigger out of the box!



    Don't forget their NSW's dedicated suppressed pistol is a HK45CT so I guess it's even. Let's not forget that ST6/CAG use HK416s and the Mark 23 is the most researched pistol ever. If you don't like the magazine release... that's understandable because a lot of people have trained on button type releases so that is a no go for some. The VP9 is the first striker fired HK has made since the P7 and guess what... on the first try they made a product that competes if not surpasses two popular Glocks with one pistol in the VP9! I too agree there's no perfect pistol for the masses but lets be real now. A Glock is a Honda Civic... cheap, reliable and you can customize them. Comparing the Glock to HK in the grand scheme of things is just humorous to me.

    Naw, I don't get upset about the G19 vs VP9 thing. As I said I have 2 VP9's so I'm well versed with them. But for EDC, I prefer a G19, it works for me, I don't care if the NSW guys are using in or not. Having dug around in my DA/SA HK's I'll admit I'm not seeing anything in there that screams legendary quality.. you've got stamped, and MIM parts just like any other pistol, and let's not forget the trigger return spring IS the weak link in a DA/SA HK, figure about 5k including dry-fire drills before replacement. I had one break on my P-2000LEM, while at the range after it broke, the pistol was literally dead. It could be fired, but the trigger had to be manually returned. Luckily, I had spare TRS's at home as well as the pliers HK parts net sells.. 5 minutes after I got home, it was fixed.. Like I say, when people tell me about the quality of HK's I'm not so sure anymore.. Internally, I'm not sure they're any better than anybody else..About the only places I can think of where they might have higher quality, is the quality of the barrel, and barrel/slide lockup. Other than that, I'm not seeing it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    Naw, I don't get upset about the G19 vs VP9 thing. As I said I have 2 VP9's so I'm well versed with them. But for EDC, I prefer a G19, it works for me, I don't care if the NSW guys are using in or not. Having dug around in my DA/SA HK's I'll admit I'm not seeing anything in there that screams legendary quality.. you've got stamped, and MIM parts just like any other pistol, and let's not forget the trigger return spring IS the weak link in a DA/SA HK, figure about 5k including dry-fire drills before replacement. I had one break on my P-2000LEM, while at the range after it broke, the pistol was literally dead. It could be fired, but the trigger had to be manually returned. Luckily, I had spare TRS's at home as well as the pliers HK parts net sells.. 5 minutes after I got home, it was fixed.. Like I say, when people tell me about the quality of HK's I'm not so sure anymore.. Internally, I'm not sure they're any better than anybody else..About the only places I can think of where they might have higher quality, is the quality of the barrel, and barrel/slide lockup. Other than that, I'm not seeing it..
    Having an AF Mark 23, KH USP, KI USP Match and several newer BA/AK/BD... I see no discernible difference. Granted the Mark 23 is on a whole another level though but I've yet to have issues with any of mine. Not to mention I shoot suppressed... a lot.

    I can't say the drop off between years is as noticeable as when Sig started making pistols in the US. I have a West German P226 and West German P6 that have been shot a lot. They are built a million times better than my latest Enhanced Elite P226. I'm not going after you in regards to the Glock comparison, it was a general remark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKGuns View Post
    The gLoCksters can't stand that the VP is a better pistol in nearly every way and is priced to compete so now the mystique of the gLoCk 19 is its perfect size.

    I call baloney that you can tell millimeters of difference in size in your pants.

    I suppose I'm just not as well trained as some here or I'd be able to tell the difference. (Even though some are likely LE and carrying on a duty belt.)
    Call it what you want, I have both and the 19 hides better. No one said the VP9 wasn't a fine pistol, but IMO it is a better duty pistol on par with the G17 rather than concealable as the 19
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    Speaking of weak TRS, look at the Beretta 92 series.
    I am confident in HK far more than any other brand. Are the designs perfect? No design is. Do they have stellar QC and actually test fire each gun? Yes.
    And there's nothing wrong with MIM when you have excellent QC; it's when you have sloppy MIM and sloppy QC that problems arise.
    You can find something that is likely to break inside 10,000 rds on any firearm maker's guns. Do HKs more commonly make it to 10,000 without breakages? Yes. In fact, most other brands have several service intervals with RSAs and even mag springs needing replaced BEFORE 5,000.
    No, HK is not perfect, but it is enough for me.

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