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    Yes, a couple mm difference is huge when talking print for aiwb carry.

    As an mp shooter, I find it annoying no one mimics the g19 size. My next pistol will be a g19.

    The reason ppl online carry g19 size guns and real life people carry j frames is because you don't meet ppl as dedicated as some of us. I carry and mpfs. Only my friends no. I tell people all the time I don't carry, because they don't need to know.

    As for capacity and ccw fantasy, I can accurately empty a 15 Rd mag in 3-4 seconds. I carry a shield on occasion. But I prefer more. It's not about #of rounds on your person, it'd about having enough to stop the threat at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titsonritz View Post
    Call it what you want, I have both and the 19 hides better. No one said the VP9 wasn't a fine pistol, but IMO it is a better duty pistol on par with the G17 rather than concealable as the 19
    You're right. I love the VP9, but the shape and angle of its butt make it harder to conceal. It has some sharp edges like a 1911. It could benefit from a bobtail shape like some mainspring housings on 1911s.

    I can conceal it fine in most situations, but am more restricted in clothing choices than the G19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegademiC View Post
    Yes, a couple mm difference is huge when talking print for aiwb carry.

    As an mp shooter, I find it annoying no one mimics the g19 size. My next pistol will be a g19.

    The reason ppl online carry g19 size guns and real life people carry j frames is because you don't meet ppl as dedicated as some of us. I carry and mpfs. Only my friends no. I tell people all the time I don't carry, because they don't need to know.

    As for capacity and ccw fantasy, I can accurately empty a 15 Rd mag in 3-4 seconds. I carry a shield on occasion. But I prefer more. It's not about #of rounds on your person, it'd about having enough to stop the threat at hand.
    I know what you mean and agree, but for the record, the G19 is not the only pistol of that size.

    M&P 45 s have a mid-size that is almost identical to the G19. The P2000 is almost identical. The Beretta Storm, Cougar, et al. mimic the size. Even Springfield XDs have several models, though they're mostly junk. The CZ compacts are close, so is the Walther PPQ. Also of that size are SW 9VDE and 40VDE models.

    But, yes, Glock is perhaps rightly the best executor of a pistol in that size--as long as you don't run into Phase 3 malfunctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cincinnatus View Post
    Speaking of weak TRS, look at the Beretta 92 series.
    I am confident in HK far more than any other brand. Are the designs perfect? No design is. Do they have stellar QC and actually test fire each gun? Yes.
    And there's nothing wrong with MIM when you have excellent QC; it's when you have sloppy MIM and sloppy QC that problems arise.
    You can find something that is likely to break inside 10,000 rds on any firearm maker's guns. Do HKs more commonly make it to 10,000 without breakages? Yes. In fact, most other brands have several service intervals with RSAs and even mag springs needing replaced BEFORE 5,000.
    No, HK is not perfect, but it is enough for me.
    Beretta has upgraded their TRS's and they're supposed to be on par with HK as far as replacement. I have a Inox Vertec who's TRS is probably approaching 5k with live and largely dry fire practice. I will say this, replacing the TRS on a Beretta 92 is much easier than a HK, the only special tool needed can be made from a paper clip. And that's for pulling the upper leg of the spring back to install the trigger bar. One could also spend $4 or so plus shipping and get a chrome-silicon TRS from Wilson Combat, and probably not have to worry about it again for a long time. I bought 2 of 'em and when the TRS in the Vertec gives up the ghost, it'll get replaced with a WC unit.. I believe WC makes a CS replacement spring for every spring in the Beretta 92. HK's MIM parts are, as far as I know made in-house, That probably explains why they rarely have trouble with them. One other thing I seem to remember about Beretta 92's..And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, But I seem to remember that the 92 series is one of the few pistols made that does NOT have any MIM parts in it.. Sure there's some plastic coated steel parts (trigger for example) but, unless things have changed, I don't think they have any MIM..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    Beretta has upgraded their TRS's and they're supposed to be on par with HK as far as replacement. I have a Inox Vertec who's TRS is probably approaching 5k with live and largely dry fire practice. I will say this, replacing the TRS on a Beretta 92 is much easier than a HK, the only special tool needed can be made from a paper clip. And that's for pulling the upper leg of the spring back to install the trigger bar. One could also spend $4 or so plus shipping and get a chrome-silicon TRS from Wilson Combat, and probably not have to worry about it again for a long time. I bought 2 of 'em and when the TRS in the Vertec gives up the ghost, it'll get replaced with a WC unit.. I believe WC makes a CS replacement spring for every spring in the Beretta 92. HK's MIM parts are, as far as I know made in-house, That probably explains why they rarely have trouble with them. One other thing I seem to remember about Beretta 92's..And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, But I seem to remember that the 92 series is one of the few pistols made that does NOT have any MIM parts in it.. Sure there's some plastic coated steel parts (trigger for example) but, unless things have changed, I don't think they have any MIM..
    I guess I see the point but if you notice all H&K threads here end the same way... you have a bunch of people from one side of the gun spectrum just really talking crap. You on the other hand have H&Ks so I'm not throwing you in that group but it's hilarious to me. I looked up your TRS issue and to be honest... not much was said and seems more like an issue that you had vs it being an "issue" per say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChunkNorris View Post
    I guess I see the point but if you notice all H&K threads here end the same way... you have a bunch of people from one side of the gun spectrum just really talking crap. You on the other hand have H&Ks so I'm not throwing you in that group but it's hilarious to me. I looked up your TRS issue and to be honest... not much was said and seems more like an issue that you had vs it being an "issue" per say.
    It's not really an "issue" but it is a bit of maintenance that usually gets overlooked a lot. I'm not entirely sure at what interval HK recommends replacing the TRS, 10k I think, but Todd Green recommended in his "tests" 7k. On my p-2000, it was the first time a TRS had actually broke on me. I'd guess it was between 6-9k with live and dry fire before it broke. The point is, they can and will break, and after say, 7K with out replacement, even if it isn't broke, your chances of it breaking only go up. Not a problem with a range gun, but it could be a problem with a EDC gun. When mine broke it gave no warning at all.. I'd guess most people don't want to fool with it because without the pliers HK parts net sells, they are a royal pain in the ass to change..(Ask me how I know) When Todd Green was doing his famous "tests" He had a couple break on him, One, I remember only went about 2k before breaking. Bad spring I guess, because the replacement gave him no issue. Beretta's were famous for breaking TRS's. However it seems they have redesigned the spring, and they are much more durable. And, really they are much easier to change. Where HK comes out a little ahead of everybody else is, they've been able to maintain a certain quality standard when others(like Glock S&W for example) were having problems. This is what really sets them apart. It's not that they are so much better, but rather they're much more consistent..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    It's not really an "issue" but it is a bit of maintenance that usually gets overlooked a lot. I'm not entirely sure at what interval HK recommends replacing the TRS, 10k I think, but Todd Green recommended in his "tests" 7k. On my p-2000, it was the first time a TRS had actually broke on me. I'd guess it was between 6-9k with live and dry fire before it broke. The point is, they can and will break, and after say, 7-9K with out replacement, even if it isn't broke, your chances of it breaking only go up. Not a problem with a range gun, but it could be a problem with a EDC gun. When mine broke it gave no warning at all.. I'd guess most people don't want to fool with it because without the pliers HK parts net sells, they are a royal pain in the ass to change..(Ask me how I know) When Todd Green was doing his famous "tests" He had a couple break on him, One, I remember only went about 2k before breaking. Bad spring I guess, because the replacement gave him no issue. Beretta's were famous for breaking TRS's. However it seems they have redesigned the spring, and they are much more durable. And, really they are much easier to change. Where HK comes out a little ahead of everybody else is, that they've been able to maintain a certain quality standard when others(like Glock S&W for example) were having problems. This is what really sets them apart. It's not that they are so much better, but rather they're much more consistent..
    It's funny you mention that. I did my first Match swap without the TRS tool and it was a pita. There hasn't been a trend and trends, especially bad ones are the one ones to avoid. When you bring up the early Gen4 issues, special variants were made for work in water, and fit/finish is meh... I get called an a$$hole. Glocks are a great weapon system but at what point does the blinders really block out what it truly is? With that said the VP9 is a continuation of what HK started and they'll only get "better" or add more options.

    Yankee Marshal guy is a perfect example. When discussing the unboxing of the VP9 his gripes was the build quality wasn't up to HK spec but failed to mention it's build quality exceeds both Glock and Walther. "... Has a poorly designed feel" is what he said. If it was built to the standard to as a USP/P30, it wouldn't be a $600.00 pistol! Admittedly the Walther has a better trigger and I have no issues saying that but the VP9 is a better combination of both worlds and there's no argument.

    I will say the timing of the VP9SK is weird. The P30SK has only been out for less 8 months now and has been added to a line that has two hammered sub-compact pistols. The P2000SK's MSRP was lowered at the beginning of the year so who knows were that will lead.

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    This is drifting into a Glock 19 thread.
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    They always do......

    When I did an LEM conversion, changing out the TRS was nearly the trickiest item I've ever had to do to a pistol.

    One item of note, two days ago I noticed my HK45 is showing signs of the false reset. It appears to only do it under recoil and is inconsistent.

    The first issue I've had with any of my numerous HK firearms and it still shoots just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKGuns View Post
    They always do......

    When I did an LEM conversion, changing out the TRS was nearly the trickiest item I've ever had to do to a pistol.

    One item of note, two days ago I noticed my HK45 is showing signs of the false reset. It appears to only do it under recoil and is inconsistent.

    The first issue I've had with any of my numerous HK firearms and it still shoots just fine.
    HKGuns

    Buy the pliers HK parts net sells.. I know, you'll only use them once in a blue moon, but they are worth it. The first time I swapped a TRS was in my P-2000LEM going from a heavy LEM to light, That took me over two hours, and I lost the spring...twice. The second time was with a P-30 LEM I briefly had, same thing,(heavy to light LEM) but this time I did it in a half hour, and only lost the spring once. The third time was the P-2000 again, the spring had broke, but, this time I had the pliers and spare springs.. It took all of 5 minutes to install with the pliers, did it on the first attempt, and nothing was lost in the process.. They're worth every penny.

    I remember reading on HKpro a while back, people were complaining of false resets with HK45's. I think it was traced down to a bad batch of trigger bars that slipped by QC, I'd call HK, They'll probably send you a shipping label and they'll take a look at it..
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