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    Quote Originally Posted by joe_sun View Post
    How would the BCM Middy rate to the Noveske and Operator?

    There might be threads here about this subject.

    Here is a thread from another site between the N4 and the Operator but use your own judgment.

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=391329&page=2

    The Operator is significantly heavier than the BCM.

    The only thing negative PERSONNALY is none of the Major League users endorse the Operator which might not mean anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carl15 View Post
    There might be threads here about this subject.

    Here is a thread from another site between the N4 and the Operator but use your own judgment.

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=391329&page=2

    The Operator is significantly heavier than the BCM.

    The only thing negative PERSONNALY is none of the Major League users endorse the Operator which might not mean anything.
    Because it's heavy. They don't endorse any heavy barrels 16" barrels.

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    I don't know if you can clasify the Operator barrel as a "heavy" barrel. It is a medium contour, which will be heavier than a gov profile barrel, but it's not THAT bad. Look at the comparison between my Operator upper/complete rifle weights and LINDERTW's 14.5" N4 build:

    Upper: GTS Operator = 4 lbs. 12 oz.

    *16" medium contour barrel (4150 CMV, 5.56, CLE profiled, Mike Rock blanks)
    *F/A BCG (BCM)
    *CMT charging handle with PRI Big Latch
    *Standard handguards
    *Factory FSB sling mount absent
    *TROY BUIS

    Lower: Stag = 2 lbs. 2 oz.
    *CMT LPK
    *H buffer
    *A2 grip
    *MagPul CTR stock

    Total weight: 6 lbs. 14 oz. (w/BUIS, no sling, no optic)


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    1) N4 light basic upper = 4 lb 5.1 oz

    14.5" w/perm attached Surefire 556-212A
    F/A BCG
    standard charging handle
    standard handguards
    side sling barrel mount
    factory FSB sling mount removed
    LaRue BUIS

    2) Noveske lower = 2 lb 2 oz
    CMT LPK
    H buffer
    A2 grip
    M4 buttstock
    factory buttstock sling mount removed

    3) total weight = 6 lb 7.1 oz (w/BUIS, no sling, no optic)

    4) total weight (w/BUIS, sling, optic) = 7 lb 2.2 oz


    My 16" Operator build is running 7 ounces heavier than the 14.5" N4 Noveske. So, I can logically conclude that a 16" Noveske N4 will be right around the same weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmart View Post
    Because it's heavy. They don't endorse any heavy barrels 16" barrels.
    What do you think of the information I posted? I'm also wondering why Denny's Operator doesn't get more press here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbankaos04 View Post
    What do you think of the information I posted? I'm also wondering why Denny's Operator doesn't get more press here?
    Well, the Operator doesn't have a muzzle device included, so ass 3-4 more oz for that. It's a heavier profile than what many like in a 16" barrel. It's not HBAR-heavy, but's it's definitely heavier than a typical govt profile. I think many might say, "it's not 3-day class worthy".

    I don't know why Denny doesn't get any press. The barrels are good. Good steel, good mfg (Mike Rock), good smithing (Frank White from Compass Lake). I like mine so far but it's very low round count. Just one session at the range to get scope sighted in, but at 50, it kicked butt, and this was with ball. I have no doubt it will hold accuracy out past 100, 200. I'ts definitley more accuarte than my BM barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmart View Post
    Well, the Operator doesn't have a muzzle device included, so ass 3-4 more oz for that. It's a heavier profile than what many like in a 16" barrel. It's not HBAR-heavy, but's it's definitely heavier than a typical govt profile. I think many might say, "it's not 3-day class worthy".

    I don't know why Denny doesn't get any press. The barrels are good. Good steel, good mfg (Mike Rock), good smithing (Frank White from Compass Lake). I like mine so far but it's very low round count. Just one session at the range to get scope sighted in, but at 50, it kicked butt, and this was with ball. I have no doubt it will hold accuracy out past 100, 200. I'ts definitley more accuarte than my BM barrel.
    True, it is heavier than a gov profile, but that's a completely different barrel profile. So, I guess the Noveske would be something like a slimmer medium contour?

    As for the weights between the two complete uppers, both were weighed with flash suppressors, BUIS, BCG, CH and standard HGs, not just the barrel itself. The weights came out with only a 7 oz difference, with the Operator being the heavier of the two. But, how much less of a difference would it have been had the owner had a 16" upper?

    As for the gun not being 3 day class worthy, all I know is that after I use and shoot my 18" SEI M1A my Operator rifle feels as light as a freaking cotton ball!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbankaos04 View Post
    True, it is heavier than a gov profile, but that's a completely different barrel profile. So, I guess the Noveske would be something like a slimmer medium contour?

    As for the weights between the two complete uppers, both were weighed with flash suppressors, BUIS, BCG, CH and standard HGs, not just the barrel itself. The weights came out with only a 7 oz difference, with the Operator being the heavier of the two. But, how much less of a difference would it have been had the owner had a 16" upper?

    As for the gun not being 3 day class worthy, all I know is that after I use and shoot my 18" SEI M1A my Operator rifle feels as light as a freaking cotton ball!!
    I tend to think you can mitigate some of the weight delta by picking a good stock that balances things out. A heavier weapon with good balance can subjectively weigh less than a lighter weapon that's muzzle heavy.

    Having said that, if you plan on placing a heavy piece of glass and a light and VFG on an Operator, it will get heavy.

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    Comparing the two is unfair. The Noveske N4 barrel series has no peer. I'll point out that doesn't make the other barrel bad by any stretch.
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    I agree that it appears that the N4 barrels do outshoot the Operator barrels based on the feedback from end users here and on the TOS. In addition, the N4 barrels are HPTd/MPId whereas the Operator barrels are only MPId. And, the last thing is the weight difference, but I don't really know how much heavier a completed standard Operator upper is than an N4 Light Recce Basic 16" Upper, both with standard HGs, auto BCG, CH, flash suppressor and BUIS.

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