New LPV's from anyone for SHOT '16?

[cbx]

If Leupold would just make it TMR fire dot in one by 6, that would be really awesome. I do not understand why they haven't done yet. Or if your vortex made a 1x6 that was a similar glass quality to the better PST.

[Hunt3r]

The entire industry except NF is making the change.

FFP reticle, and SFP illumination is the new norm and despite what NF says and many on here say, there are a lot of good reasons why it is FFP.

It's definitely the most appealing solution but it looks like there are a lot of problems involved in keeping the FFP and SFP aligned perfectly.

[Digital_Damage]

It's definitely the most appealing solution but it looks like there are a lot of problems involved in keeping the FFP and SFP aligned perfectly.

We have not seen that in most of the testing we have done with known quality brands with good tracking. The only time is has posed an issue is when the tracking of the scope itself is off and should be returned to manufacture for repair.

[Hunt3r]

We have not seen that in most of the testing we have done with known quality brands with good tracking. The only time is has posed an issue is when the tracking of the scope itself is off and should be returned to manufacture for repair.

Right, but the issue for the most part the issue is that this issue has been reported on even reputable brands such as US Optics with their SR-8C/SR-4C. I suspect that this will go away as QA and design improves but there are definitely teething pains involved in this technology.

[Digital_Damage]

Right, but the issue for the most part the issue is that this issue has been reported on even reputable brands such as US Optics with their SR-8C/SR-4C. I suspect that this will go away as QA and design improves but there are definitely teething pains involved in this technology.

It has nothing to do with FFP, SFP ill technology.

Even with scopes that only have SFP or FFP, every brand puts out scopes with poor tracking. That is why the very first thing you should do is not zero your scope, it is to test the tracking. I would estimate 3 out of every 10 S&B 's we tested did not track correctly out of the box.

[Hunt3r]

It has nothing to do with FFP, SFP ill technology.

Even with scopes that only have SFP or FFP, every brand puts out scopes with poor tracking. That is why the very first thing you should do is not zero your scope, it is to test the tracking. I would estimate 3 out of every 10 S&B 's we tested did not track correctly out of the box.

Interesting. At any rate, I think the only daylight bright DFP LPVs released so far are the Minox ZP8, Weaver Tactical 1-7x24mm, USO SR-4C, SR-8C, Burris XTR II 1.5-8x28, and the Bushnell ET1625DP. Of these, the Bushnell is still MIA and I haven't seen anyone actually report that they have one, but it's one of the most interesting in terms of reticle, price, and feature set. IOR Valdada also has a 1-10x26mm DFP optic, but some user reports suggest that it really isn't daylight bright no matter SFP or FFP illumination.

[mig1nc]

Lucid has a new 1-6x for pretty low cash.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ot-2016-lucid/

[drtywk]

I highly doubt that.

The image consistency and resolution is just not good enough on Object reflective RDS to take it to 6x. It is going to look terrible.

Per the Aimpoint Reps at SHOT Show, the 6x is optimized for the T-2/H-2 optics, due to the updated glass and dot. I had a chance to play with one for a little while at their booth. It is 8oz and the glass is very nice. This was probably the one thing that I said that I would buy right now, outside of an SR25 APC with M-Lok and a Hodge 12.5" SBR. Would it replace a solid LPV, no, but it will have a place for some, think LE/Mil DMR/Perimeter work. There are only four of them in the country right now, but expect to see them starting to show up in larger numbers in the very near future. I know one specialized LE unit in California has them on order for their cover team on entries.

[Singlestack Wonder]

Per the Aimpoint Reps at SHOT Show, the 6x is optimized for the T-2/H-2 optics, due to the updated glass and dot. I had a chance to play with one for a little while at their booth. It is 8oz and the glass is very nice. This was probably the one thing that I said that I would buy right now, outside of an SR25 APC with M-Lok and a Hodge 12.5" SBR. Would it replace a solid LPV, no, but it will have a place for some, think LE/Mil DMR/Perimeter work. There are only four of them in the country right now, but expect to see them starting to show up in larger numbers in the very near future. I know one specialized LE unit in California has them on order for their cover team on entries.

One of the most commonly stated dislikes with RDS magnifiers is that the dot increases in size with the image when looking thru the magnifier (yes, it retains scale perspective with the target). With a 6x magnifier, even though more magnification of images at longer ranges are a caveat, at 100 yards the dot (assuming one is using a T1) would be 12MOA to the eye and with the target magnified 6x. Moving forward, an extra long eye relief magnifier that could be mounted in front of the RDS and would still allow the user 3-4" of eye relief behind the RDS would be (in my opinion) a good seller. At 6x (using Aimpoint's new product as an example), while the target is magnified 6x, the RDS dot stays the same size (while becoming smaller in perspective to the target) allowing more precise shots on the target.

[RiflemanBobcat]

One of the most commonly stated dislikes with RDS magnifiers is that the dot increases in size with the image when looking thru the magnifier (yes, it retains scale perspective with the target). With a 6x magnifier, even though more magnification of images at longer ranges are a caveat, at 100 yards the dot (assuming one is using a T1) would be 12MOA to the eye and with the target magnified 6x. Moving forward, an extra long eye relief magnifier that could be mounted in front of the RDS and would still allow the user 3-4" of eye relief behind the RDS would be (in my opinion) a good seller. At 6x (using Aimpoint's new product as an example), while the target is magnified 6x, the RDS dot stays the same size (while becoming smaller in perspective to the target) allowing more precise shots on the target.

No, if the dot and target are magnified the same, then a 2MOA dot will still be 2MOA. It'll just look bigger, but it will still subtend the same area on the target; same as a FFP variable.
If the dot didn't magnify with the target (imagine placing the magnifier in front of the RDS), then the dot's subtension downrange will actually get smaller in MOA terms. SFP variable optics are this way as you increase magnification.