New LPV's from anyone for SHOT '16?

[Singlestack Wonder]

No, if the dot and target are magnified the same, then a 2MOA dot will still be 2MOA. It'll just look bigger, but it will still subtend the same area on the target; same as a FFP variable.
If the dot didn't magnify with the target (imagine placing the magnifier in front of the RDS), then the dot's subtension downrange will actually get smaller in MOA terms. SFP variable optics are this way as you increase magnification.

That's exactly what I stated...re-read the post. It will still be 2 MOA in relation to the target but increase in size viewed by the eye to 6 times.

I've experimented with using the magnifer in front of the Aimpoint and the larger target image in relation to lthe non-magnified dot presented a precise aiming environment. The .25" eye relief behind the T1 was less than ideal for real world use.

[RiflemanBobcat]

That's exactly what I stated...re-read the post. It will still be 2 MOA in relation to the target but increase in size viewed by the eye to 6 times.

I've experimented with using the magnifer in front of the Aimpoint and the larger target image in relation to lthe non-magnified dot presented a precise aiming environment. The .25" eye relief behind the T1 was less than ideal for real world use.

You said 6x would make the dot "12MOA to the eye," which is incorrect. It will still be 2MOA to eye and target, because MOA (or mil) subtension is determined downrange.

I used the placement of magnifier as a hypothetical to illustate a concept, not as a suggestion for use

[Singlestack Wonder]

You said 6x would make the dot "12MOA to the eye," which is incorrect. It will still be 2MOA to eye and target, because MOA (or mil) subtension is determined downrange.

I used the placement of magnifier as a hypothetical to illustate a concept, not as a suggestion for use

Compared to a non-magnified 2moa dot, it will be 6x larger so in comparison to the eye at the magnifier the dot is represented 6 times larger while measuring approx. 2 inches at the target....anyway the bigger picture of the statement is the feasibility of an extra long eye relief magnifier.

[Hunt3r]

Compared to a non-magnified 2moa dot, it will be 6x larger so in comparison to the eye at the magnifier the dot is represented 6 times larger while measuring approx. 2 inches at the target....anyway the bigger picture of the statement is the feasibility of an extra long eye relief magnifier.

Are people really needing long eye relief with AR-15s? With most LPVs I've found that an SPR cantilever mount is needed to really get proper optics placement.

[Digital_Damage]

Per the Aimpoint Reps at SHOT Show, the 6x is optimized for the T-2/H-2 optics, due to the updated glass and dot. I had a chance to play with one for a little while at their booth. It is 8oz and the glass is very nice. This was probably the one thing that I said that I would buy right now, outside of an SR25 APC with M-Lok and a Hodge 12.5" SBR. Would it replace a solid LPV, no, but it will have a place for some, think LE/Mil DMR/Perimeter work. There are only four of them in the country right now, but expect to see them starting to show up in larger numbers in the very near future. I know one specialized LE unit in California has them on order for their cover team on entries.

A lot of nonsense in this.

Optimized glass and dot? It is still a canted objective reflective optic. All the image shift, distortion and other issues with a canted objective is going to be magnified. Parallax will also becomes a serious issue.

With the 70 rule you are not going to get an LE agency to sign off on use of these... If some group is purchasing them they are ripping the tax payers off. Over watch for an entry team with an aimpoint? come on...

Longest successful soft target shot taken by LE in the last 30 years (as of two years ago since the DOJ last reported the stat) is 51 yards...

[Koshinn]

Longest successful soft target shot taken by LE in the last 30 years (as of two years ago since the DOJ last reported the stat) is 51 yards...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/06...ed-gunman.html

About a year ago, 100 yd shot with .40S&W.

[sinlessorrow]

Per the Aimpoint Reps at SHOT Show, the 6x is optimized for the T-2/H-2 optics, due to the updated glass and dot. I had a chance to play with one for a little while at their booth. It is 8oz and the glass is very nice. This was probably the one thing that I said that I would buy right now, outside of an SR25 APC with M-Lok and a Hodge 12.5" SBR. Would it replace a solid LPV, no, but it will have a place for some, think LE/Mil DMR/Perimeter work. There are only four of them in the country right now, but expect to see them starting to show up in larger numbers in the very near future. I know one specialized LE unit in California has them on order for their cover team on entries.

It will work with the M4 and M4S though?

[Digital_Damage]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/06...ed-gunman.html

About a year ago, 100 yd shot with .40S&W.

ya, not sure how I feel about the breaking of the 70 rule being celebrated. More than likely a hope and a prayer.

Even at 100, 6x is wildly out of place.

[drtywk]

A lot of nonsense in this.

Optimized glass and dot? It is still a canted objective reflective optic. All the image shift, distortion and other issues with a canted objective is going to be magnified. Parallax will also becomes a serious issue.

With the 70 rule you are not going to get an LE agency to sign off on use of these... If some group is purchasing them they are ripping the tax payers off. Over watch for an entry team with an aimpoint? come on...

Longest successful soft target shot taken by LE in the last 30 years (as of two years ago since the DOJ last reported the stat) is 51 yards...

So you were there with me and had the conversation with multiple Aimpoint Reps, who are also retired LEO? Either way, this is what all of the AP reps were saying with regard to the 6x.

[Digital_Damage]

So you were there with me and had the conversation with multiple Aimpoint Reps, who are also retired LEO? Either way, this is what all of the AP reps were saying with regard to the 6x.

Those reps are there for one reason, to sell products... facts and physics be damned.