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    Quote Originally Posted by turnburglar View Post
    Most members here just realize that its the indian and not the arrow. a GI trigger and 16" chrome lined barrel, will get you through ANY general carbine class. The biggest advice you'll get about specifics should be: "use ammo that you know works", "don't bring an unreliable rifle", "bring a back up rifle in the same caliber if you can", "mix gatorade 50/50 with water", "don't be out of shape".

    A good sling. I prefer 2 point.

    Red dot sight

    some way to carry the required amount of mags (changes every class)

    eye pro

    ear pro (most classes require electronic)

    decent pants and a decent belt

    good athletic shoes.

    knee pads. (class specific, but where I live in the desert its a good idea for any dynamic movement)

    Body armor (depends on the class. some require it, while others don't. typically a live fire shoot house thing)
    Ok. Thanks for the ideas. I'm taking notes. I've got a pair of electronic muffs but they were pretty cheap, like from a big box store. That'll be something I'd likely need to upgrade.

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    Looking for some direction on a new rifle

    We can all recommend you options, but what we're trying to say is that 2k is a lot of money to spend on something when you're not sure what you want.

    Taking a class will help you figure that out and you can take some of our recommendations and pick what works best for you based on experience.

    I think you're hung up on the longest distance, but I would bet most of your shooting is going to be closer in and a 2.5-10 is going to be less than optimal for that.

    Maybe a compromise would be to get a 1-6 and run that on the mk18. Sure, it will be harder to hit at 500-600 without the velocity of a longer barrel, but sometimes it's fun to have more of a challenge. You can then move the 1-6 to the new gun and continue with an aimpoint on the mk18.

    Some of the most fun I've had at 3gun is running irons. A 1-6 is definitely easier, but easier isn't always more fun.

    Your mk18 still has the same basic operation as whatever rifle you're looking for, so a class taken is not a "waste," you will still have that experience to use with your new gun, but you will have made a more informed decision when you buy it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis B View Post
    You've never taken a class, how do you know if you'll "waste" valuable education from a firearms professional because you don't have a shiny new toy to bring along? By all means, buy a SR15 with $2k glass just to make sure you have the most expensive gear of your classmates. As long as you show up with a teachable attitude you'll do just fine.
    I didn't mean to piss in your wheaties. Seems like I've struck a cord with you. If a $15 tasco red dot was suggested as the best red dot to use then I'll get one of those. No one said I needed the newest and most expensive. If there is a better option why shouldn't I consider it? Just because I can afford it doesn't mean I'll buy it. But I might as well consider it shouldn't I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstalford View Post
    We can all recommend you options, but what we're trying to say is that 2k is a lot of money to spend on something when you're not sure what you want.

    Taking a class will help you figure that out and you can take some of our recommendations and pick what works best for you based on experience.

    I think you're hung up on the longest distance, but I would bet most of your shooting is going to be closer in and a 2.5-10 is going to be less than optimal for that.

    Maybe a compromise would be to get a 1-6 and run that on the mk18. Sure, it will be harder to hit at 500-600 without the velocity of a longer barrel, but sometimes it's fun to have more of a challenge. You can then move the 1-6 to the new gun and continue with an aimpoint on the mk18.

    Some of the most fun I've had at 3gun is running irons. A 1-6 is definitely easier, but easier isn't always more fun.

    Your mk18 still has the same basic operation as whatever rifle you're looking for, so a class taken is not a "waste," you will still have that experience to use with your new gun, but you will have made a more informed decision when you buy it.


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    Makes sense! Do you have a suggested 1-6? I've always used mostly night force. Just seemed to a decent optic. I've always enjoyed running irons, with the MG's I pretty much only run iron sites. Hell an A2 upper was all I had for the longest time. But I guess I've gotten a little more refined past just doing my own thing at the range.

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    It depends on how much you care about weight.

    Vortex HD is awesome, esp for the money, but heavy.

    Kahles k16i is my fav but some don't like the illumination knob.

    They're all pretty much a compromise. Maybe wait till after shot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by damcv62 View Post
    Pandas. Scary proposition.
    This is my suggestion, I know you have been getting a lot of them. Take your MK18, put an aimpoint on it, and use it for a class. If you don't feel after that class that it is what you want, sell it and get the SR15, and you can swap the aimpoint over onto it. I would suggest you take the course with whatever you feel you would most likely grab first in the panda apocalypse. If you would go 16" with a 1-6 because you feel you would be aiming at black spots at 600 yards, take another course with that. If you would grab the light and short with a RDS because you would only engage those bamboo eating bastards at shorter distances, take another course with that. But I would not run out and buy a new SR15 before you know if your MK18 will do everything you want it to.

    I think you are a little too worried about the panda apocalypse though, they are going to just kill themselves off from lack of breeding before that becomes an issue.

    Do you think the pandas realize they are Chinese and are just taking the one-child policy too seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstalford View Post
    It depends on how much you care about weight.

    Vortex HD is awesome, esp for the money, but heavy.

    Kahles k16i is my fav but some don't like the illumination knob.

    They're all pretty much a compromise. Maybe wait till after shot.


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    I've played with some of vortex's offerings. They seem decent, but like you said kind of heavy. I've never even heard of the k16i. I'll have to look into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fallenromeo View Post
    This is my suggestion, I know you have been getting a lot of them. Take your MK18, put an aimpoint on it, and use it for a class. If you don't feel after that class that it is what you want, sell it and get the SR15, and you can swap the aimpoint over onto it. I would suggest you take the course with whatever you feel you would most likely grab first in the panda apocalypse. If you would go 16" with a 1-6 because you feel you would be aiming at black spots at 600 yards, take another course with that. If you would grab the light and short with a RDS because you would only engage those bamboo eating bastards at shorter distances, take another course with that. But I would not run out and buy a new SR15 before you know if your MK18 will do everything you want it to.

    I think you are a little too worried about the panda apocalypse though, they are going to just kill themselves off from lack of breeding before that becomes an issue.

    Do you think the pandas realize they are Chinese and are just taking the one-child policy too seriously?
    Good points. Guess I might be over thinking the distance and class purposes. I'd have to believe the pandas have become self aware. Hence the need to take classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damcv62 View Post

    Would you suggest using a sub standard product? Why waste money on taking a class if you don't use a rifle you want to stick with? That doesn't seem to make much sense.


    Why do you not already own a rifle you want to stick with?




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    Keep your sbr, get a KAC Mod1, or 2 which ever you like best.
    Vortex 1-6.
    Kahles 1-6
    S&B 1-8
    Steiner 1-5
    No such thing as too many rifles. Take both to the class, run both. You'll then have the sbr for up to two hundred yards then the KAC when you want to shoot distance as well as close range. Put a Surefire x300u on the sbr, and a Surefire m300c,or 600u on the KAC.
    The KAC comes with a really nice trigger, run it, if you don't like go Geisselle SD-C.
    Your all set.

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