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    But with their lame stocking dealer program, smaller shops (especially CA ones) will not be able to benefit from any of this.
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    As long as we're compiling a Colt fan boy wish list here, I will submit my Colt fan boy wish list items.

    I'd love to see the following rifle from Colt Defense:

    16" mid length gas, M4A1 like contour, no M203 cuts because they're not needed, maybe just a bit more taper down to the shoulder where the gas block will be than the carbine length M4A1. For extra credit they could invest in some rotary hammer forging machines to make their own barrels, then nitride them AND chrome line them. I am thinking of a barrel that can withstand very hard use and hold up for a long long time. I of course would love to see a properly sized gas port, I don't care if it won't run underpowered Russian garbage ammo. While they are fulfilling my unreasonable requests they can install a good hybrid flash hider/compensator on it, I've grown fond of the Surefire Warcomp for example.

    15" MLOCK or KeyMod rail that is fairly slim, and relatively light weight. If it ends up a bit heavier than other offerings that is OK if durability and strength are there, there are already existing rails like the Geissele that would work. I just want perfect alignment with the upper, and very secure attachment. While they're at it they could equip a good robust BUIS, nothing overly complicated , just simple and durable. I'd also be open to a front sight base that peeks up through the top of the rail, or a pinned gas block with a folding front sight that does the same. I'd also love to see the rifle factory equipped with the VLTOR A5 buffer tube system and furniture, along with the BCM grip/trigger guard.

    While I'm wishing for general awesomeness they should also equip this carbine with a Geissele SSA or SD-C.

    Then offer the same rifle described above except with a light weight barrel, don't bother with a Govt' contour because that profile makes little sense on a commercial market carbine with a carbine length gas, and absolutely none on a middy.

    Oh, and I want color options for the anodizing. A nice FDE and if possible an olive green would be sweet.

    I would then like to make a bunch of insane unreasonable demands of their handgun manufacturing, but few here like revolvers and want to hear (or read my ranting) on how they should reintroduce the Python (cost prohibitive) or at least the Anaconda (why not Colt? Why!). Or how they should stop dicking around and design a modern service pistol with a low bore axis, high reliability, excellent sights, and a good trigger.

    Craziness I know.

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    Why is an Expanse $100 cheaper than an OEM?

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    Different barrel, missing FA and dust cover, and they can price it however they want to differentiate the price points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwagon View Post
    Not even. You can buy those parts retail for $20. Cost is maybe 5 bucks for an OEM like Colt. And it probably only saves 5 minutes in labor.
    It all adds up... $5 in parts, 5 min in assembly time, 2 min on QC checks, lower parts inventory cost, etc. all in, maybe $10-15 per rifle, Oem cost. Along with one less person on the assembly line to manage. That alone translates to $40-50 in MSRP, and allows them to not have to worry about a new upper that is forged without those "upgrade" allowances, further reducing costs and parts inventory and management.

    And S&W have proven that the market will support this exact rifle at this price point, so they are building to that, in what appears to be a well thought out move.

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    Remember union labor has already almost sunk Colt multiple times.

    For some one who could be costing colt 75$ or more an hour to install and test those parts. Those 5$ parts really may cost colt another 75$ to have installed and tested.

    It costs us nothing to install these parts, it costs Colt a ton.

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    I'm sure there is some cost savings for Colt, but I think it's really more about being able to differentiate it from the 6920 variants and justify a lower price point.

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    They can differentiate it by a model designator. Trust me, it's about cost, and it appears the ability to upgrade to a full feature rifle. As I understand it, it is fully upgradeable. Unlike the previous 6900 that had integral trigger guard, and a slick upper. Not to mention it was more expensive.

    A real colt rifle that can have EVERY feature added down the road, and at that price? I think this will compete quite well.


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    It has a non-chromed barrel, so fully upgrading it to the standard of a 6920 will take a little more work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el_chupo_ View Post
    And S&W have proven that the market will support this exact rifle at this price point, so they are building to that, in what appears to be a well thought out move.
    The current '16 production M&P15 SPORT™ II has the dust cover and forward assist included at an MSRP of $739.00. The older M&P15 Sport is also listed on the website at an MSRP of $739.00. It seems S&W has decided to include the forward assist and dust cover at no increase in cost to boost sales.

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