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    Gun Trusts - ...Used by criminal organizations

    This is my first post here, so if this is the wrong section, please correct me. I felt that the indifiduals that populate this forum might have the most info on the subject.

    I've been saving my pennies to purchase a Colt 6933 from GRTactical. It might be another six months, as my first child is on the way and convincing my wife that a $1000 (plus $200 stamp) gun is a worthwhile expenditure of funds. But I digress.

    I watched with interest our President's gun forum. In it, he states that the "gun trust loophole" is used by criminals and shell corporations to access restricted things like silencers, machine guns, "sawed-off shotguns" (it just sounds so scary to say that...right).

    Does anyone know of statistics to prove or disprove his statements? I live in an area where I can likely have either the local chief of police or sheriff sign off for me, and I've read on here and other places that others have done so in the local area. So, I may not even pursue a trust, but I would absolutely like to have an answer should anyone wish to discuss this topic.
    Frankly, it sees likely to me that some might use such a procedure to acquire things like silencers from less-than-careful vendors, but when it comes to SBR's and automatic weapons... I find it hard to believe.

    Does anyone have input?

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    The main reason lots of people went the trust route in addition to not needing the chiefs signature was because it was quicker and did not require a photo and prints be sent in.

    Anything can be used by criminals.

    From the few cases I have read in the media of a criminal having an NFA item the item was illegally in his possession(felon, stolen, ect.).
    If there is no enemy within the enemy outside can do us no harm

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediGuy View Post
    Frankly, it sees likely to me that some might use such a procedure to acquire things like silencers from less-than-careful vendors, but when it comes to SBR's and automatic weapons... I find it hard to believe.

    Does anyone have input?
    Yeah. The whole transaction has to get approved by the ATF after waiting an inordinate amount of time. Trust, Corporation, Individual, it doesn't matter. It still has to clear the Feds. No "less than careful" vendor can sidestep the ATF approval without committing a felony.

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    Jusdt rfemember, anything out of OBAMA'S mouth are LIES. Take it from there.

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    So; we are to believe that "criminal organizations" are filing paperwork with BATFE, waiting for approval, and buying retail instead of rolling their own or utilizing the international arms black market.
    Not high speed, low drag. More like ten under, blinker on.

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    At the end of the day, a prohibited person possessing an NFA item is already illegal. The Grantor must go through a background check. If any trustees are prohibited and access the item, it's no different than an individual giving an NFA item to a prohibited person. The new rule just makes anyone with legal ace mess go through a background check and submit photo/finger prints.

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    Why go through all that? Just do what the cartels and gangs do. Buy the stuff our government gives to the Mexican military right out of the back of a truck down south. Then freely come across the open border with it.

    Why bother with paperwork.

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    Every time I buy and pick up a can via trust, the dealer subjects me to an instantaneous background check. You mean to tell me I've been the victim of discrimination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by utahjeepr View Post
    So; we are to believe that "criminal organizations" are filing paperwork with BATFE, waiting for approval, and buying retail instead of rolling their own or utilizing the international arms black market.
    Exactly.
    "Democracy is two Wolves and a Lamb discusing Whats for Dinner. Liberty is a well Armed Lamb willing to Contest The Majority Decision". Benjamin Franklin, 1755

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    Have you found a 6933 available anywhere? I've been keeping an eye out since my order from 2014 got canceled when Colt finally told DSG arms they wouldn't be getting it...

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