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    Unsurprising on a Hi-Point forum. I'm sure you'll see the same kind of insight about BMW on the Yugo forum.

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    To play devils advocate for a moment, while specs and QC are pretty much the name of the game when it comes to contracting/subcontracting parts, is it possible those companies do in fact get parts from Del Ton?
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    The old "parts is parts" meme. No it doesn't matter where they come from as long as they meet the spec, problem is a company may make a batch that meets the spec followed by a batch that doesn't. Material sourcing, QA and QC add to costs and is where many of lower tier cut corners. A 1st tier company spends a lot or money making sure that what they are using is up to spec, this adds costs to the final product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    To play devils advocate for a moment, while specs and QC are pretty much the name of the game when it comes to contracting/subcontracting parts, is it possible those companies do in fact get parts from Del Ton?
    Possible? Yes. But, then again what are Colt, BCM, DD, ect specing their parts at compared to Freedom group? FN makes barrels for a number of companies but again they specing them to what company buying it requests. Which may or may not be to the spec those here would like to see and we dont know what some of the lesser companies do in QCing once parts recieved. We do have a pretty damn good idea what companies like BCM do when recieving parts and they aint bashful bout putting foot to ass when parts are not to spec. I dont think i pay for a name with BCM or Colt or DD or other quality brands. I pay for piece of mind, proper specs, and fewer headaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    The old "parts is parts" meme. No it doesn't matter where they come from as long as they meet the spec, problem is a company may make a batch that meets the spec followed by a batch that doesn't. Material sourcing, QA and QC add to costs and is where many of lower tier cut corners. A 1st tier company spends a lot or money making sure that what they are using is up to spec, this adds costs to the final product.
    I think this is the truth right here

    I would be more concerned with getting exactly what I want and buying from a company that stands by their products and has a good history of customer service than other things

    This is why I wouldn't buy some carbine gas length Colt but I would buy a BCM- I don't want a carbine gas 16" and both stand by their products (well Colt has been having money troubles so who knows what happens in the future...)

    I think this is the same reason why people like buying Vortex optics- they may not all be made in the greatest factories but they make a pretty good product and their customer service/warranty is without compare

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    I Saw This Post Knocking Colt, DD, Noveske and BCM

    I don't bother explaining a lot of logic (not just gun related) to people. If you don't understand why a $2k dollar SR-15 is better than a $500 M&P sport or why a 3k dollar S&B is better than a $750 Nikon then I simply can't explain it to you, "you just don't get it." Im not going to waste my breath, time and brain cells explaining it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat Trash View Post
    When I go there and walk through one of the garages, some of the tool boxes are bigger than my couch. I see a lot of Snap On wrenches in the tool boxes. I have yet to see any of these mechanics buy their wrenches or socket sets from "Big Lots" or "The Dollar Store". I can't understand why? They're just paying for the name, aren't they? After all, we all know that all wrenches and socket sets are the same. They're secretly made in the same plant and re-branded. Only a fool would buy the name brand tools...
    Not exactly a fair comparison. Mechanics buy warranty and convenience. The Snap-On guy comes to them with a truck full of tools, swaps out broken/warranty items, finances their new tools, etc. Is a Snap-On socket better than a comparable Craftsman socket? Maybe. Hard to say when tools are made for differing levels of use (impact, non-impact, etc). While the professional mechanic vs Harbor Freight brand tools (or even Craftsman) may be a good comparison to military weapons from Colt vs civilian owned weapons from PSA, I think it's a straw man argument when comparing Del-Ton civilian rifles to Colt civilian rifles.

    I personally know nothing about Del-ton. Have never bought a single part from them. I also don't own a Colt, or any factory built AR for that matter. I will say that the things I've gotten from Noveske and BCM do on the surface seem to be of higher quality than things I've gotten from PSA, RRA, and others. That's not to say there is a distinct functional difference in terms of quality, performance, or longevity. It seems reasonable to me that the reputation that companies have is in fact partially earned and partially purchased with marketing and fan-brand love.

    I don't buy into the "tier" concept though I do prefer brands that I know from personal or anecdotal experience to be of good quality. If I were in the market for a factory built gun I'd probably select Noveske, BCM, Colt, PSA, in that order depending on what I could afford. I prefer to build mine, so I'll typically buy just about any lower (have PSA, Eagle Arms, Tactical Machining and Noveske lowers in my inventory) with a preference for the roll mark that I like best, then lean towards BCM for a complete upper.

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    Some people will say just about anything to try and convince themselves that the junk they own is just as valuable as something obviously higher end. Must make them feel pretty superior to talk down to someone who is willing to pay extra for the assurance of doing things right the first time.

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    Lesser priced rifles probably meet their demands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wigbones View Post
    Some people will say just about anything to try and convince themselves that the junk they own is just as valuable as something obviously higher end. Must make them feel pretty superior to talk down to someone who is willing to pay extra for the assurance of doing things right the first time.
    Some people will justify pissing away money for the brand they adore without any real reasoning other than blatant arrogance that because they can afford it means that they're better than people that can't afford it.

    The worst fit of any of my guns happens to be the most expensive build I've done.... with a Noveske Gen 2 lower, Vltor MUR upper, and Noveske barrel. "Tolerance stacking" I'm told. I still like Noveske stuff though. I'm happy with it and happy I can afford it, but still reject the concept that they're "tier 1" based on my experience and based on not buying into the "tier" concept.

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