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    The next big thing for the AR

    Bump this video up to 3:32



    I think that forward moving metal rod can be retrofitted or adopted to the AR platform.

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    At the 1:00 mark; watch him drain that drum:


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    This tech, IMO will never be the future of small arms. Niche at best.

    1.) More weight. Counter balance requires more mass, intrinsically.

    2.) Counter balance system adds more moving parts. More moving parts means more things can go wrong, as well as higher production costs.

    If the tech was so good, the Russians would probably have integrated it by now on a large scale, or the West would have integrated it.
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    It's been said they still have 100's of thousands of AK-74's in surplus. Plus I'm sure a platform change really isn't in their budget at the moment and no real pressing need.

    I still think just for the novelty; it would be neat to see a counterweight added into an AR upper. Even if done just crudely as proof of concept, or to show that it can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrotx1 View Post
    This tech, IMO will never be the future of small arms. Niche at best.

    1.) More weight. Counter balance requires more mass, intrinsically.

    2.) Counter balance system adds more moving parts. More moving parts means more things can go wrong, as well as higher production costs.

    If the tech was so good, the Russians would probably have integrated it by now on a large scale, or the West would have integrated it.
    I am inclined to agree with this, for the most part. It may have use in a competition niche, but I don't see the applications in mil, at least not in a GP rifle, as I can see. Figure most combat situations where one is employing a carbine are better served, again most, with semi auto fire, and you aren't generally engaging with cyclic fire, I don't see the benefits here out weighing the cons. I could be wrong here, but....
    It may have use in other applications though, perhaps in a GPMG, or SAW type platform where automatic fire is going to be a large portion of the mission of the platform and being able to enhance controlability and accuracy would be a boon, but even then, you are going to be adding weight, and moving parts and complexity to the platform in an age where there is the increasing drive towards lighter less complex arms and equipment.

    This is not to say I wish to see the concept abandoned, or rifles not be imported. For every great idea there are countless failures, if this is to be a failure that breeds a grander concept then let it come. I just don't see this as being the next big thing, and really see it as being more the "we can't have it so we wants it badly" type thing. Again, I could be wrong here, but, I think I am likely at least in the ballpark.
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    There are much more refined ways to do this than a pully system.

    Last edited by vicious_cb; 01-25-16 at 02:47.

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    Excellent video. I never knew about that.

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    That was interesting.
    Is it just me or was there a very noticeable rate of fire increase during the ~11:02-11:04 mark?
    That was weird.

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    That was very interesting, I don't see much use in semi but in full that could be a game changer. I believe the Colt/Diemaco LMG also fired closed/open bolt depending on fire mode, but a 8 lb carbine that controllable. They should put a rear sight on their demo gun though.

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    That gun has been around since 1994.
    Where has it gone?
    I'll tell you - no where.

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