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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I'll just point out the obvious. It has an NiB BCG and absolutely no mention of material specs, testing, etc.. Call me crazy but when I see that kind of stuff, the red flags are usually somewhere near by.
    Kinda like a Black Rain Ordinance that's less suited for the zombie breakout containment squad and $1000 cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boba Fett v2 View Post
    Barnes is a somewhat NKOB in terms of firearms manufacturing. They've had a few "operators" endorse their stuff in the past from what I recall. They aren't a household name that's for sure. I've handled a few of their guns whenever I see them in shops or at gun shows, and they seem to be of good quality. I haven't really heard anything bad about them, but then again I don't know where they source their parts or anything. I would say stick to a tried and true and well established manufactures for the time being. I own and love KAC rifles and will likely buy more in the future, but honestly you don't need to spend all that coin to play. Daniel Defense, BCM, Colt, LMT, etc. are the usual suspects to consider as well. Good luck.
    I've toured the BPM factory and was very very impressed. Andrew is making just about everything in house and a ton of really nice equipment to do so. I saw barrel blanks being turned and chambered, lowers, bolts, and bolt carriers being machined. Very impressive stuff.

    Andrew is very knowledgeable about the AR and firearms in general. I shot my first and only 3 gun competition and was in his squad. Got to talking to him about his guns, specs, etc. I don't recall what barrel blanks he uses, but I know for certain that he was using the mil spec 158 carpenter steel for his bolts, which are machined in house.

    I think Barnes makes very high quality rifles. I have no connection to BPM, I just happen to live in their neck of the woods and was able to tour their facility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I'll just point out the obvious. It has an NiB BCG and absolutely no mention of material specs, testing, etc.. Call me crazy but when I see that kind of stuff, the red flags are usually somewhere near by.
    I was curious so I messaged them with some spec and material questions. Here is the response I got. I also inquired about their 300 blk.

    The carrier is 86L20 and the bolts are Carpenter158, both are Nickle
    Boron coated. The barrels are 416SS, heat treated and stress relieved
    blanks sourced from Montana Rifleman blanks. All 16" 300blk bbls
    use a carbine length gas system and come standard with our adjustable
    gas system. Your option of 1/2"x28 or 5/8"x24 muzzle threads. The
    rails are 6063 T5 aluminum. Uppers and lowers are 7075 forged
    aluminum. All pins and detents are made in house to meet or exceed
    milspec standards.

    Please let me know if you have any additional questions. Right now
    we are filling orders within 1-2 weeks, with some builds we are able
    to ship same day.

    Thank you,


    Jon Smith
    Barnes Precision Machine
    jsmith@barnesprecision.com
    (919)362-6805
    Last edited by REdruM0351; 02-07-16 at 10:35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Goodtimes View Post
    Who told you this? The Cletus behind the counter at the local gun shop? Somebody from Barnes Precision Machine? Some dude at the range who's buddy was on the Bin Laden raid?

    Let me assure you that no USSOCOM entity of any kind is using a rifle from this no name company. KAC on the other hand is generally regarded as the best manufacturers in the industry and the SR-15 is regarded by many actual real world face shooters as the pinnacle of AR-15 performance. KAC, unlike Barnes does in fact hold many government contracts ranging from federal to local law enforcement.


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    OP isn't exactly wrong. While it's obviously not issued, pictured below is a complete Barnes Precision rifle.

    An U.S. Special Forces Soldier, attached to Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan, scans an open field for activity after receiving enemy fire during an operation in the Nejrab district, Kapisa province, Afghanistan, May 27, 2014. USSF assisted Afghan National Army special forces and commandos on an operation to disrupt insurgent freedom of maneuver in the area. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Connor Mendez/Released)

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    No mention at all of HP/MPI testing. I do know for a fact, that a couple of years ago HP was not an option.

    Quote Originally Posted by REdruM0351 View Post
    I was curious so I messaged them with some spec and material questions. Here is the response I got. I also inquired about their 300 blk.

    The carrier is 86L20 and the bolts are Carpenter158, both are Nickle
    Boron coated. The barrels are 416SS, heat treated and stress relieved
    blanks sourced from Montana Rifleman blanks. All 16" 300blk bbls
    use a carbine length gas system and come standard with our adjustable
    gas system. Your option of 1/2"x28 or 5/8"x24 muzzle threads. The
    rails are 6063 T5 aluminum. Uppers and lowers are 7075 forged
    aluminum. All pins and detents are made in house to meet or exceed
    milspec standards.

    Please let me know if you have any additional questions. Right now
    we are filling orders within 1-2 weeks, with some builds we are able
    to ship same day.

    Thank you,


    Jon Smith
    Barnes Precision Machine
    jsmith@barnesprecision.com
    (919)362-6805



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    No mention at all of HP/MPI testing. I do know for a fact, that a couple of years ago HP was not an option.
    I am trying to press them on this right now. It was the weekend so they will probably respond sometime this week.

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