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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    You are speaking of the companies as "companies", instead of just the product. I would add that I have kept an eye on Noveske since I bought my first one, 6 years ago, and honestly, I am sad for the company and where they have gone, and how they got there. Noveske currently should be separate from "John's Noveske", almost the same as you separate 1960's Chrysler from 2006 Chrysler.
    I agree, but you are buying a product from a company. I own 4 Noveske's and you are right. They have steered off coarse from the vision of John Noveske. Doesn't make them a bad company, they are not a small company anymore. They have grown considerably. They built a huge following but at the cost of giving up the "John Noveske's one man, one mission" style of business model. Having said that, do you think Colt, Sig, FN or KAC gives a crap about you or I? Try ordering a SCAR right now, in fact, try ordering $588,418.00 dollars worth of SCARS right now, they turn their noses up at you and I. In that world, civilian consumers come dead last to government contracts. As long as that mentality continues, you will have more companies compete for consumer business. Companies like LWRC, VLTOR, Noveske, PWS, USM4 and Bravo.

    I was comparing statistics on both Noveske and KAC but thought I would throw in a little about the companies. The reason I wrote about the partnership between Noveske/Silencer co and so forth is because these businesses are about civilian consumers. They market exclusively to people like you and I.
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    I have heard some people grumbling about Noveske. What's the deal?
    They're still making solid barrels as far as I know. Am I out of the loop or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    Warsport or KAC?

    Well...do you operate? Bro?

    Seriously, I have to say that the KAC makes the most sense. I do not understand the Warsport's appeal.

    Now, keep in mind I have not shot either weapon, so this is a bit of a "bench" review...but...

    -The KAC uses a lighter profile barrel by far. The Warsport is basically a "bull barrel" from stem to stern. I've used "heavy" carbines all day before, and they suck. They really really really suck. Put a suppressor on them, and they suck even more.
    -The Warsport, if it's the one I'm thinking, uses a special gas-block with a Venturi type system to allow it to cycle with a rifle-gas length system. I have heard of issues from multiple people, using them.
    -The KAC is a full ambi gun
    -The KAC has the E3 bolt

    The only technical enhancement of the Warsport...is their wonky use of the rifle gas system. The big, fat barrel is just money-saved because they didn't have to profile it down.

    I see ZERO justification for the Warsport's cost. The KAC? It uses a custom forged lower. It uses a proprietary gas system which seals better, and involves no pinning/set screws to induce barrel stress. It uses an E3 bolt, which is a proven concept.

    I simply cannot see where the money went with the Warsport. CANNOT see it.
    It's Tacti-cool, come in sorts of cute colors and they put way more into their media dept than Knight's does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elephant View Post
    I have a KAC SR15 E3 mod 1 and a Noveske Infidel

    KAC $2500 Noveske $2700

    The KAC is considerably lighter and I mean noticeable difference- like night and day difference.

    The Noveske however, has in my opinion, a way better barrel, and comes standard with Magpul furniture (pistol grip and butt stock) Black nitride BCG and Troy flip up sights and ALG trigger. The KAC comes with A2 flash hider, A2 grip and LMT SOPMOD butt stock.

    The Noveske comes with KX5 flash hider and NSR Keymod Rail while the KAC e3 mod 1 comes with URX 3.1 rail with proprietary rail panels.

    The KAC SR15 is built around the tried and true mil-spec upper/lower while the Noveske has modernized and improved there lowers to accommodate a flared mag well which will NOT except X-Products 50 drum or Surefire 60rd mags. The Noveske uppers are machined to be more aggressive and to flow into there NSR rails.

    Noveske has huge following on social media and with close relationships/partnerships with silencerco, they have launch a huge marketing campaign featuring Noveske Rifles with Silencerco silencers using a combination of 3 gun competitors and hot bikini girls. They are now teamed up with OAF Nation to market a new gun lifestyle clothing line. They are launching a Noveske/SilencerCo. ammo line with Hornady specifically tailored to suppressed 300blk.

    KAC doesn't get too involved in the overall community especially the younger crowd or the crowd who will spend $3500. They are like the Coke Cola of the gun world. Everyone already knows who they are. Not quite as popular as Colt but just underneath them in terms of who's who. They have contracts with US military, US state department, private contractors, and have the kind of money Noveske and Warsport could only dream of. Especially when you have people like Chris Kyle and Marcus Latrell writing books about using there products.

    So, in my own opinion, the Noveske is awesome and they seem to be more in tune with there customers and what there customers want. After all, you get a free hat and scorpion sucker with purchase. However, KAC is lighter and that is what matters to me. So...KAC gets my vote!
    I corrected you in bold. Not that its a big deal, but one is $85 and the other is $199. KAC uses the $199 one
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    Adding to this thread, while I have never handled a Warsport, I don't feel any justification to. SR-15s do everything I want them to do. I also find them to be a bargain for what you get. People bitch because they come with an A2 pistol grip, but I think Jack said its just a place holder, because a pistol grip is such a personalized preference, there is no point in them putting on something more expensive than an A2 for the end user just to change out anyways.

    Noveske is a whole other story. Since Johnny passed, they are more about selling swag than innovating products... Just my opinion.
    Last edited by firefighter37; 03-08-16 at 07:35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elephant View Post
    Having said that, do you think Colt, Sig, FN or KAC gives a crap about you or I?
    We here at KAC absolutely do care about the individual shooter, and we drive product as best we can to support the commercial market.
    We have a growing presence in and support of competitive events, and ultimately take the greatest pride in seeing our products in the hands of those that take direct action against the enemies of the citizens of the United States.
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    Sorry for the derail, but I need to know, do all of these names belong together?

    " Companies like LWRC, VLTOR, Noveske, PWS, USM4 and Bravo."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    We here at KAC absolutely do care about the individual shooter, and we drive product as best we can to support the commercial market.
    We have a growing presence in and support of competitive events, and ultimately take the greatest pride in seeing our products in the hands of those that take direct action against the enemies of the citizens of the United States.
    Good to know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benito View Post
    I have heard some people grumbling about Noveske. What's the deal?
    They're still making solid barrels as far as I know. Am I out of the loop or something?
    I still think Noveske barrels are great. Exceptional quality and very accurate. Even though I'm nowhere near shooting out my curent Novesked equipped 11.5", I will be buying a couple more to have on hand for when that eventually happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djegators View Post
    Sorry for the derail, but I need to know, do all of these names belong together?

    " Companies like LWRC, VLTOR, Noveske, PWS, USM4 and Bravo."
    In that context, I'd say so. They're companies that don't have a whole lot of federal government business, as far as I know, and they're generally smaller than Colt, FN, SIG, etc.

    Not saying I necessarily agree with Elephant's assessment, but that's the context that was given.

    Quote Originally Posted by elephant View Post
    I have a KAC SR15 E3 mod 1 and a Noveske Infidel

    KAC $2500 Noveske $2700
    I only paid $2000 new for my SR15 E3 Mod1. Huh.

    The KAC is considerably lighter and I mean noticeable difference- like night and day difference.

    The Noveske however, has in my opinion, a way better barrel, and comes standard with Magpul furniture (pistol grip and butt stock) Black nitride BCG and Troy flip up sights and ALG trigger. The KAC comes with A2 flash hider, A2 grip and B5 Systems butt stock.
    I don't think Noveske chrome-lined barrels are anything special. They're FN sourced CHF barrels. Knights probably uses Diemaco sourced CHF barrels. A toss up. I do think Noveske stainless barrels are pretty awesome, but I don't think they're needed in a non-precision role.

    The Troy flip up sights are a step down from the KAC sights. The ALG trigger is a step down from the KAC two stage trigger. The Magpul STR is better than the LMT SOPMOD, but that's personal preference - the SOPMOD is twice the cost. The FH is fine, but the grip is definitely worse on the KAC. But then again, it's a $2 part and a $15 upgrade to the same pistol grip. No big deal.

    The Noveske comes with KX5 flash hider and NSR Keymod Rail while the KAC e3 mod 1 comes with URX 3.1 rail with proprietary rail panels.
    I own two NSRs and a URX 3.1. I like the URX 3.1 better, but that's personal preference. The odds are that the only rail panel you'll need is on the bottom, and only if you use a VFG or AFG or something. I do not like the KX5, and I'd rather have an A2 FH over it.

    The KAC SR15 is built around the tried and true mil-spec upper/lower while the Noveske has modernized and improved there lowers to accommodate a flared mag well which will NOT except X-Products 50 drum or Surefire 60rd mags. The Noveske uppers are machined to be more aggressive and to flow into there NSR rails.
    The SR15 does not have a mil-spec lower. It has a somewhat proprietary lower with ambi controls. The Noveske looks nice, but lacks ambi controls. John Noveske once said something to the effect of "the only ambi component on my rifle is the trigger." Tongue-in-cheek, of course.

    So, in my own opinion, the Noveske is awesome and they seem to be more in tune with there customers and what there customers want. After all, you get a free hat and scorpion sucker with purchase. However, KAC is lighter and that is what matters to me. So...KAC gets my vote!
    I like Noveske. I have a 10.5" CL and 16" SS. I also have a SR-15. If I got the SR-15 first, I don't think I'd own any other AR-15. Although I just gave my SR-15 to my Brother to use as a patrol carbine, so... I might need to get another.
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