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    When does an SBR become an SBR?

    My question is, does a firearm become an SBR after you get your stamp back, or when you actually chop the barrel? I have gotten my stamp back but haven't chopped the barrel yet. Do I still need to have a copy of the paperwork with me while transporting?

    Also, for those interested I sent the paperwork on June 19th, received the stamp August 15th.
    Last edited by vaglocker; 08-18-08 at 10:32. Reason: nfa time line

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    I guess it's an SBR once they approve it. It's in the NFA registry at that time.

    I'm not a big fan of chopping barrels.... even if a good smith is doing it. I prefer to buy a factory short barrel.

    And, yes. It's a good idea to have a copy of your paper work with you when you transport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demigod View Post
    I'm not a big fan of chopping barrels.... even if a good smith is doing it. I prefer to buy a factory short barrel.
    Yea, I'm with you on that but this one is an AK that I'm making into an AK104 clone. Not many of those floating around from the factory . My next one, yes there will be a next one, will be an AR SBR. I want to do a Noveske 12.5 build.

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    As soon as the stamp was approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demigod View Post
    I guess it's an SBR once they approve it. It's in the NFA registry at that time.
    This seems kind of murky to me since the paperwork submitted is an application to "Manufacture" an NFA item. Technically it can't be "manufactured until after the paperwork is received, but better safe than sorry I'll follow all the rules as if the firearm was completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaglocker View Post
    This seems kind of murky to me since the paperwork submitted is an application to "Manufacture" an NFA item.

    It is a little murky indeed. You're not truly manufacturing anything. You're not assigning the gun a new serial number like you would if you were making your own silencer or something.
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    There's nothing murky about it. When the BATFE approves it, it is registered as such, regardless as to whether or not you've received the paperwork or the work is completed. If the work isn't completed months from now, it is still registered as an SBR once the paperwork is approved.

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    Status changes from a Title I (non-NFA) firearm, to a Title II (NFA item) as of the date on the approved Form 1.

    It does not matter the timing for which you add the upper afterwards. As of the date the examiner signed and "cancelled" your tax stamp with the serial number, it is an SBR.

    Period.

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    Yes. That aspect is clear. It's an NFA weapon at that point.

    The application to "manufacture" is and odd process though since most of us aren't really manufacturing anything.... rather we're modifying an existing weapon.
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    If you look at section (i.) in the definitons on the Form 1 -- "Make."

    It is defined as such in Title 27 Part 479 Section 11 - :

    "This term and the various derivatives thereof shall include manufacturing (other than by one qualified to engage
    in such business under this part), putting together, altering, any combination of these, or otherwise producing a firearm."
    The Form 1 is titled: "Application to Make and Register a Firearm"
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