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    OIP,

    A few things have been made perfectly clear while reading your responses.

    1. You are defending your purchase like many others have done before you.

    2. You fail to realize that many departments and agencies purchase their firearms based upon one thing- cost.

    3. You try to balance the short comings of Bushmaster by saying that other manufacturers also produce crappy products. I have repeatedly said that anything man made can fail and NO COMPANY is exempt from making something out of spec.

    4. Many LEO's do not put alot of rounds through their weapons. I am sure that other LEO's will validate that. Again money for ammo and time are a big factor.

    5. Customer service doesn't mean shit if you are in Iraq or Afghanistan and need assistance. For one there are many other issues to deal with like ITAR restructions, DDTC approval and of course shipping times. I can tell you from first hand experience that we had to wait an average of 2-3 months from the time we submitted an order until it was approved and all of the red tape was finalized.

    That may be acceptable for Bubba going to the range, but not when you need stuff yesterday to keep your weapons up and running.



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    I for one used to be more stupid than I am now, and I have purchased rifles in the past that were less than ideal. However, I do claim the capacity to learn and improve, so I have sold many of those less than optimal firearms in order to purchase firearms which are top quality. If I can come to the realization that my initial purchase decision was flawed, then IMO there should be no reason for others to be unable to learn when presented with the facts. In the past I wondered why guys would pay $1500 for a Colt AR15 when they could buy another brand for $800. Now I understand why.



    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    OIP,

    1. You are defending your purchase like many others have done before you.

    2. You fail to realize that many departments and agencies purchase their firearms based upon one thing- cost.

    3. You try to balance the short comings of Bushmaster by saying that other manufacturers also produce crappy products. I have repeatedly said that anything man made can fail and NO COMPANY is exempt from making something out of spec.

    4. Many LEO's do not put alot of rounds through their weapons. I am sure that other LEO's will validate that. Again money for ammo and time are a big factor.

    5. Customer service doesn't mean shit if you are in Iraq or Afghanistan and need assistance. For one there are many other issues to deal with like ITAR restructions, DDTC approval and of course shipping times. I can tell you from first hand experience that we had to wait an average of 2-3 months from the time we submitted an order until it was approved and all of the red tape was finalized.

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    I will attest to the fact most LEO's, at least on my department do not put in much trigger time with their AR's. They are also some of the cheapest people on the planet . I'd say most of my fellow officers put no more than 200 rounds through their carbines per year. The last time they it saw a cleaning or maintenence was the last time they had a qualification.

    FWIW, my first carbine for duty use was a Bushmaster. I bought it during the ban when it was hard to get one configured with all the evil features and frankly I just didn't know any better. The gun has never given me problems, and even ran through a 1200 round carbine class flawlessly. I still carry the gun on duty daily, but the only parts that are original is basically the lower. (which is probably why it made it through the class) Would I buy a Bushmaster again because this one was trouble free? Absolutely not, there are so much better options for the money. I'm hoping to finish my new 14.5 BCM middy in time for the next quals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500grains View Post
    In the past I wondered why guys would pay $1500 for a Colt AR15 when they could buy another brand for $800. Now I understand why.
    Now adays, its almost like "Why are you even considering a Bushmaster?"

    I can get brand new 6920s for $1099 out the door. M&Ps at a shop down the street are selling for $1129 plus tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Now adays, its almost like "Why are you even considering a Bushmaster?"

    I can get brand new 6920s for $1099 out the door. M&Ps at a shop down the street are selling for $1129 plus tax.
    Clyde Armory sells DDXVs for $999 and DDM4s for $1179 all day, everyday. Why would you want to go second or third teir?
    Colt SP6920, LE6920, 6720
    BCM Lower/ARP 6.8SPC upper for hog hunting
    DD M4V5 clone, Troy 5.56 Carbine, S&W M&P10
    PSA Lower/BCM LW 16" middie CHF upper
    PSA Lower/BCM LW 14.5" middie upper
    2 PSA 18"6.8 rifles, PSA 20" M16A4 clone
    Remington 870, Remington 700VTR
    SA XDm9, XDm9C, , XD9SC S&W 1911
    Ruger GP100, Hawkeye77 Compact 6.8SPC
    Kel-Tec KSG, Marlin 336 30-30, HK 45C, VP9
    Sig 1911 Tacops, Scorpion 1911, M11A1, P226 Mk25

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    Rifle #1

    16” Heavy Profile ChromeMoly Vanadium Steel Barrel - Chrome lined in both Bore and Chamber for easy chambering, long life and quick clean-up – Manganese Phosphate finished to protect against corrosion or rust. Muzzle is threaded and fitted with an A2 “Birdcage” Flash Suppressor.

    • Dual Aperture Rear Sights on A2 models have 1 M.o.A. elevation adjustments and ˝ M.o.A. windage adjustments with a 300-800 meter range. The A3 Type Carbines (Removable Carry Handle included) have ˝ M.o.A. adjustments for both elevation and windage with a 300-600 meter range. The A3 Upper has a Picatinny rail for the attachment of sights, scopes, or night vision optics. A2 Front Post Type Sights are elevation adjustable

    • Upper and Lower Receivers are machined from 7075 T6 aircraft aluminum and Hard Anodize finished to a non-reflective matte black. Uppers feature an interior dry film lube coating for smooth operation.

    • Six Position Telescoping Stocks are fitted - overall carbine length with stock collapsed is 4“ shorter for easy handling in tight confines.

    • Shipped in a Lockable Hard Case with Operator’s Safety Manual, 30 Round Magazine, Orange Safety Block and Black Web Sling


    Rifle #2
    Unique direct gas operating system eliminates the conventional operating rod and results in fewer and ligher components
    - Accommodates the full range of 5.56mm ammunition, including the NATO M855/SS109 and U.S. M193, utilizing a rifling twist of 1 turn in 9" (229mm)
    - Straight-line construction disperses recoil straight back to the shoulder, increasing handling capabilities, especially during repeated fire
    - 4-position sliding buttstock allows the weapon to adapt to users of different sizes and physical characteristics as well as various firing positions and clothing variations
    - Cartridge case deflector allows easy operation in both right and left handed shooting positions for increased tactical applications
    - Muzzle compensator further reduces muzzle climb and helps eliminate flash and dust signatures
    - Ejection port cover protects the chamber from dust and mud
    - Field strips easily without special tools for simple field user maintenance
    - Flat top receiver allows for removable carrying handle and easy mounting of accessories
    - Front barrel lug allows for easy mounting of a variety of accessories
    - Two 20 round magazines, cleaning kit and slng are standard. 30-round magazines are optional
    - Target style rear sight features dual apertures (0-200m, 300-600m) and adjusts for both windage and elevation
    - High strength materials add durability to the forearm, buttstock and pistol grip for greater comfort and effectiveness



    yea i can really see a lot of differences...

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    just so nobody has to write some more to educate you, please do yourself a favor and read the "RRA evaluation" thread. It will explain alot, and it contains all the stickies that you NEED to read.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneInchPunch View Post
    yea i can really see a lot of differences...
    "Doc, can you check out this thing I got?"
    -Every Marine, ever.

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    Since this thread has strayed beyond it's intended consequences (I am guilty also) and some people want to continue to argue as to why their Armalite, DPMS, Bushamster or whatever is supperior this one is closed. If another mod wants to open it later so be it.

    It's rather ridiculous that several times a week we have to continue to justify why certain weapons are better than others.

    There is a ton of information here on this site. There is a lot of first hand feedback from personnel about their experiences with brand XXX, XXXX and XXXX.

    I think the best way to sum it up is this. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't suck it's ass to make it drink."



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