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    BTW Georgia forces armament was even more interesting:

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    Quote Originally Posted by montrala View Post
    BTW Georgia forces armament was even more interesting:

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    European version of Hk Sl8 with highcap mag?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cagemonkey View Post
    Is that an Israeli Negev in the lower photo off to the left?
    Israeli soldiers were on the ground with US forces during the short campaign. HK GmBH got in trouble with their gov't because some of the weapons found were HK G36s; some with no serial numbers (according to some reports).

    All of this was reported and I posted a little bit about it during that time.
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    Wink

    I think the "Which AR maker is better" argument can go anyway anyone wants it too. All weapons are tools and, as we all know, some tool brands are better then others but it boils down really to the hand holding the tool. Some manufacturers are known for outstanding QC and products, but somebody, somewhere, has got a horror story about "Brand X".
    I currently have a Bushmaster and have gotten very, very good use from it. Doesn't mean I won't have a problem in the future, but it has been a great performing rifle for me......

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    I had one.......

    Quote Originally Posted by jstephens202 View Post
    I think the "Which AR maker is better" argument can go anyway anyone wants it too. All weapons are tools and, as we all know, some tool brands are better then others but it boils down really to the hand holding the tool. Some manufacturers are known for outstanding QC and products, but somebody, somewhere, has got a horror story about "Brand X".
    I currently have a Bushmaster and have gotten very, very good use from it. Doesn't mean I won't have a problem in the future, but it has been a great performing rifle for me......
    I had a PreBan E2S w/20" that I bought back in 1993. I used it for SWAT duty for a number of years. I never had trouble with it, it shot fine and served its purpose. I sold it last spring to a guy in NY state (disabled Marine OIF Vet). I tossed in my used surefire w/mount and pad along with a few preban mags. Last report it was doing well, but I think it will be tricked out by now for long range shooting. Now, would I buy another one? Nope. I think Bushmaster slipped in QC over the years, and I would never buy another 1/9 twist from anybody. I also look at my rifles as an investment and Bushmaster is just not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syclone170 View Post
    my poorly built AR is my coyote and prairie dog rifle and is very accurate and I have owned AK's and SKS's and still do... no comparison in range and accuracy...
    Maybe I should have been more clear. I was not questioning their accuracy or range more so their reliability and function. Range and accuracy mean little if your rifle isn't operational. Granted you or I have the resources and general knowledge to make a lower quality AR "right" they probably don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltesherz View Post
    How do you figure questionable QC and poor manufacturing beat out quality and combat proven reliability?
    Assuming the weapon platform has inherent quality manufacturing and QC is a bad idea, even if it is an AK.

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    deleted because I posted before I realized my comment was redundant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar View Post
    They were issued. I have pictures somewhere from earlier this year when they bought them and carried them in a parade in Tblisi.

    Ever heard the saying "never fired and only dropped once"?

    I support them as allies, but damn man........
    The invasion of Georgia made everyone look bad. The Russian's called our bluff as allies but they also displayed some truely piss poor soldiery according so some reports I heard from Georgians.

    Much of the training they were promised never materialized and for a country of around 4 million people they did all they could facing the Russians largely on their own. As far as the bushies go the blame really lies with the whoever made the recommendation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syclone170 View Post
    Bushmaster or DPMS are still better in combat than an AK-47 and by the way, Chile and Jordan armies are issued DPMS ....
    A well trained operator with a properly zeroed AK is a formidable foe, and AK's can be employed effectively, in spite of what the mid stream popular gun press says.

    IIRC the Chileans use/issue locally manufactured SIG rifles manufactured by FAMAE, and what others have said regarding the Jordanians- when I was there I saw Colts and even an odd Beretta AR70/90 in Amman.
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