If Trump wins the Republican nomination...

Originally Posted by .46caliber

I've yet to see any Trump supporter display any proof that he won't sign an AWB or any other 2A infringing bill. We don't have a voting record for Trump because he's not a career politician, one of his few redeeming qualities. The fact of the matter, no one has real proof of his stance on the 2A one direction or another.

How can I produce proof of future actions?

From what I've seen, the man's stance on firearms has changed over the years covering pretty much the gradient of anti-2A to pro-2A in its entirety. That inspires no confidence other than Hillary's stance has always been anti with a vote record to prove it. Trump's real intents on the 2A are an unknown quantity, but at least it's not the known quantity that is Hillary and her stance on 2A. Trump not being Hillary is one of his other few redeeming qualities.

Well his stance on immigration also favors the 2nd Amendment, more mass immigration means more leftist voters which means more Democrats in office, which means more gun laws will be passed.

Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia

Well his stance on immigration also favors the 2nd Amendment, more mass immigration means more leftist voters which means more Democrats in office, which means more gun laws will be passed.

I think many people really underestimate, or don't even consider the effects that the demographic tidal wave will have on politics in a few decades. We're already seeing effects now, but just imagine another generation of this trend.
Again, immigration can be done properly when people are selected appropriately and in appropriate numbers, but the wide open floodgate (figuratively speaking, since there are no gates in reality) approach will ensure every election goes to Hillary/Sanders/Bloomberg or whoever else the Demoncrats impose on the electorate.

Austin, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio are now pretty much being run by Progressives.
I don't see that tide turning any time soon.

Originally Posted by glocktogo

One of the WORST internet arguments is the people who expected us to vote for for the lesser of two evils, who won't practice what they preached now that "lesser" is Trump.

So, we can count on your vote for Romney, Rubio, or Ryan if the GOP strips the nomination in a contested convention? Hillary must be stopped at all costs, right?

BTW, seach these posts and you will see that I NEVER agreed that Trump was the lesser of the two evils. That was the arguement of another party in this thread. In my view, he is just a different kind of evil.

Originally Posted by Sensei

So, we can count on your vote for Romney, Rubio, or Ryan if the GOP strips the nomination in a contested convention? Hillary must be stopped at all costs, right?

BTW, seach these posts and you will see that I NEVER agreed that Trump was the lesser of the two evils. That was the arguement of another party in this thread. In my view, he is just a different kind of evil.

If Trump doesn't get to 1237 and the party coalesces around Cruz as POTUS, and one of the others as VP, then yes. If they steal the nomination, then no. I will vote for Trump as an independent and hope for the best.

Bringing in some stale dipshit RINO from 2012 is a non-starter. They would fare so much worse against Hillary that it wouldn't even be a funny joke.

As for your silly question, I was pointing out the hypocrites in the thread. If you're not one of them, then why did you even respond? Pointing out hypocrisy and turning it against others does not make me a hypocrite, when it was always my position to not vote for the lesser of two evils. Welcome to MY club!

Originally Posted by glocktogo

If Trump doesn't get to 1237 and the party coalesces around Cruz as POTUS, and one of the others as VP, then yes. If they steal the nomination, then no. I will vote for Trump as an independent and hope for the best.

Bringing in some stale dipshit RINO from 2012 is a non-starter. They would fare so much worse against Hillary that it wouldn't even be a funny joke.

As for your silly question, I was pointing out the hypocrites in the thread. If you're not one of them, then why did you even respond? Pointing out hypocrisy and turning it against others does not make me a hypocrite, when it was always my position to not vote for the lesser of two evils. Welcome to MY club!

You must not recall our PM conversation on this very topic 4 years ago. Or, perhaps the fact that I went by a different screen name back then has caused the confusion. Anyway, we covered the "lesser of 2 evils" theory back when Romney faced off against Obama. As I recall, you were not too keen on Romney and neither was I.

As for my question being silly, never underestimate the predictability of stupid - there is a very real chance that neither Cruz nor Trump will be the nominee coming out of Cleveland. It's nice to see that you will continue to stand on principle.

With that, I think I've said my peace here. Good day.

Originally Posted by Sensei

You must not recall our PM conversation on this very topic 4 years ago. Or, perhaps the fact that I went by a different screen name back then has caused the confusion. Anyway, we covered the "lesser of 2 evils" theory back when Romney faced off against Obama. As I recall, you were not too keen on Romney and neither was I.

As for my question being silly, never underestimate the predictability of stupid - there is a very real chance that neither Cruz nor Trump will be the nominee coming out of Cleveland. It's nice to see that you will continue to stand on principle.

With that, I think I've said my peace here. Good day.

That's quite a memory.

I, on the other hand, have googled various firearm topics and have been redirected to threads I've made a year prior.

Then I re-read my post because even its existence doesn't necessarily jog my memory.

Originally Posted by Sensei

You must not recall our PM conversation on this very topic 4 years ago. Or, perhaps the fact that I went by a different screen name back then has caused the confusion. Anyway, we covered the "lesser of 2 evils" theory back when Romney faced off against Obama. As I recall, you were not too keen on Romney and neither was I.

As for my question being silly, never underestimate the predictability of stupid - there is a very real chance that neither Cruz nor Trump will be the nominee coming out of Cleveland. It's nice to see that you will continue to stand on principle.

With that, I think I've said my peace here. Good day.

If you will recall, I was adamantly opposed to Romney and wasn't going to vote for him. Then my friend, who was his Oklahoma campaign manager in 08, was killed in Afghanistan. So I voted for him because Chris wasn't here to do it himself. I felt I owed him that much (Chris, not Mitt).

I don't have that obligation this time around. If the RNC is stupid enough to ignore the will of the voters, then I'm stubborn enough to spit in their faces and remind them of THEIR mistakes for the next four years.

Originally Posted by Sensei

In my view, he is just a different kind of evil.

If you are looking for righteousness, you might want to pass on politics.

Originally Posted by Koshinn

That's quite a memory.

I, on the other hand, have googled various firearm topics and have been redirected to threads I've made a year prior.

Then I re-read my post because even its existence doesn't necessarily jog my memory.

It's a knack that I have.

Originally Posted by glocktogo

If you will recall, I was adamantly opposed to Romney and wasn't going to vote for him. Then my friend, who was his Oklahoma campaign manager in 08, was killed in Afghanistan. So I voted for him because Chris wasn't here to do it himself. I felt I owed him that much (Chris, not Mitt).

I don't have that obligation this time around. If the RNC is stupid enough to ignore the will of the voters, then I'm stubborn enough to spit in their faces and remind them of THEIR mistakes for the next four years.

I do recall your situation. I, on the other hand, have no memory of who I voted for that day thanks to the 1/5 of Grey Goose that I drank on the way to the polling place. Now you know how I've managed to tolerate myself for the past 4 years.