Terror in Brussels, The New Norm for Europe?

I just try to stay positive man. I like to have a good time but I always say no to drugs

Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn

Up until about 150 years ago, female heirs in the US received nothing. Women couldn't own property - unless they were unwed - any property she held in name, belonged in fact to their husband or their father. When they could own their own property, they couldn't control it - that again fell to their husbands. Every penny that a married woman made belonged to her husband or father. Every possession her had before her marriage would thenceforth belong to her husband. She could not enter into contracts.
Polygamy has only been illegal in the US for about as long.
&c., &c., &c.
Just saying.

I don't think any of this is actually true. I see that Honu has already dissected this in post #124. I also remember a rather forceful lecture in law school, by a female, feminist law professor, that claims that women were at one time "chattel" or didn't have any rights were entirely false. If you have any source for these claims, I would be very interested to read them.

As for polygamy, I don't think that was ever widely legal in the US. It simply didn't require get much attention until the LDS followers started practicing it, and the US government took measures specifically against them.

Anyway, even if your claims were true 150 years ago - and I don't think they are - the fact that they are not true today, or in anyone's living memory, demonstrates that there is no equivalence in the treatment of women in the USA vs. in some Muslim countries today.

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

I don't think any of this is actually true. I see that Honu has already dissected this in post #124. I also remember a rather forceful lecture in law school, by a female, feminist law professor, that claims that women were at one time "chattel" or didn't have any rights were entirely false. If you have any source for these claims, I would be very interested to read them.

As for polygamy, I don't think that was ever widely legal in the US. It simply didn't require get much attention until the LDS followers started practicing it, and the US government took measures specifically against them.

Anyway, even if your claims were true 150 years ago - and I don't think they are - the fact that they are not true today, or in anyone's living memory, demonstrates that there is no equivalence in the treatment of women in the USA vs. in some Muslim countries today.

It was a "moral equivalency" argument that was just a little out of date, huh? Kind of like Islam is a little out of date.

wasn't even out of date since it never was like that or as they say just another LIE !!!!

Originally Posted by ABNAK

It was a "moral equivalency" argument that was just a little out of date, huh? Kind of like Islam is a little out of date.

Originally Posted by Firefly

I'm more a New Testament guy (acknowledging wingman's sarcasm but..)
I'm a New Testament guy. Live and let live until people make that impossible.

Then we got severe problems.
I've confided to people at times but I'll say this:

I'm not a good man capable of evil. I'm an evil man desperately trying to be good. Desperately.

That's why I really try to check myself.

Or some stupid shit like that.

Aquinas ventured to say that even the devil had some good in him as he had existence. At least you're trying--desperately. Wish more folks were.
http://www.amazon.com/Evil-Thomas-Aq...quinas+on+Evil

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

As for polygamy, I don't think that was ever widely legal in the US. It simply didn't require get much attention until the LDS followers started practicing it, and the US government took measures specifically against them.

Anyway, even if your claims were true 150 years ago - and I don't think they are - the fact that they are not true today, or in anyone's living memory, demonstrates that there is no equivalence in the treatment of women in the USA vs. in some Muslim countries today.

I asked an older LDS guy about this one time. His explanation was the mortality rate for Men in the 19th Century was incredibly high. Being as LDS folks have always promoted large families, chances were if the Husband died, the Wife was left with lots of hungry mouths to feed and little prospect other than Prostitution to make that happen. Thus Polygamy.
I'm not sure how truthful that is, but to some degree it is logical, but with a likely degree of revisionist history.

Wasn't George Washington's wife Martha a Wealthy Widow when he married her? I'm not sure how you become a Wealthy Widow if you can't own shit.
I'm not sure how Progressives are allowed to say stuff like "But One Hundred and Fifty Years Ago Americans did..." How is that relevant to the argument? On one hand you want to lift this Culture up as the Religion of Peace, on the other you say you need to be wary of handing anything to a Muslim with your left hand because that's the one they wipe their asses with???
WTF? even my Hillbilly Family in Appalachia was smart enough to use last years Sears Catalog or a Corn Cob in "Rough Times" a Hundred F'ing years ago.
These folks, the ones you claim invented engineering, astronomy and architecture are still walking around with dooky fingers and it is all good?
I'm sorry it doesn't work both ways.

Originally Posted by Honu

from 1776-1830
Women’s rights to real property—the lands and buildings that constituted most wealth in the early national period—were more extensive than their rights to personalty. A husband could not sell or mortgage the realty his wife brought to their marriage without her consent.

if we go back 150 years as you try to claim ? which is wrong we even had black women making big money !!!! actually the very first female millionaire was a black woman !!!

you are thinking of coverture where a woman could not own property independently when married unless she had written Ok
not at all what you thought or read ?

A married woman had the right to be maintained in a manner commensurate with her husband’s social status. If he refused to provide for her appropriately, she could sue and win support from the courts.

also men could not sell without the wifes consent even if he brought it to the marriage !!!!
A wife also had important rights to the real property that her husband brought to the marriage or purchased afterwards. He could not sell or mortgage it unless she signed a statement signifying her free consent, which was recorded with the deed. Few mortgagors or buyers would enter into an agreement without the wife’s consent.

so yes they could own and yes they had control !!! not as much as today but still had !!!


so to make something up and say this was just 150 years ago ? but actually was never like you say it was to try to compare to your muslims you seem to love so much and EVEN if it was like you said we did move forward

since the birth of our country in 1776 women did own land and the husband could not sell it

actually if we go back to the colony times of the 1600s we find women owned land !!!!
google Mary Brent

NOTHING in common with the savages that have not moved forward one tiny bit in last 1500 years !!

And yet throughout the 19th Century we see states passing laws allowing married women to own property. Why are such laws needed if married women could own property?

https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml...perty_law.html

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Love to hear about it. Was it done in accordance to the law of the land? Was it a member of a special religious police squad tasked with "magic crimes"?

A mob of around 300 men killed 11 people accused of practicing witchcraft in Kisii County, Kenya. These people were variously clubbed and stabbed to death and then burned. A quick Google search for 'witchcraft kisii' reveals that this may be ongoing and much worse than I initially thought.

Originally Posted by Honu

wasn't even out of date since it never was like that or as they say just another LIE !!!!

I'm not trying to attack you, I'm genuinely curious: Did you ever take a course in typing in school? Is English not your first language? I ask because the guys on here who are from Norway and Poland for whom English is a second or third language are better typists than you.

Originally Posted by Averageman

I asked an older LDS guy about this one time. His explanation was the mortality rate for Men in the 19th Century was incredibly high. Being as LDS folks have always promoted large families, chances were if the Husband died, the Wife was left with lots of hungry mouths to feed and little prospect other than Prostitution to make that happen. Thus Polygamy.
I'm not sure how truthful that is, but to some degree it is logical, but with a likely degree of revisionist history.

Wasn't George Washington's wife Martha a Wealthy Widow when he married her? I'm not sure how you become a Wealthy Widow if you can't own shit.
I'm not sure how Progressives are allowed to say stuff like "But One Hundred and Fifty Years Ago Americans did..." How is that relevant to the argument? On one hand you want to lift this Culture up as the Religion of Peace, on the other you say you need to be wary of handing anything to a Muslim with your left hand because that's the one they wipe their asses with???
WTF? even my Hillbilly Family in Appalachia was smart enough to use last years Sears Catalog or a Corn Cob in "Rough Times" a Hundred F'ing years ago.
These folks, the ones you claim invented engineering, astronomy and architecture are still walking around with dooky fingers and it is all good?
I'm sorry it doesn't work both ways.

Certain people seem to believe that we've always had televisions, the internet, and electricity. The truth is that we're not as far separated from the barbarians as some people would like to believe.

I also enjoy the use of the hypothetical you in this post to argue points that NO ONE HAS BROUGHT UP.

Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn

A mob of around 300 men killed 11 people accused of practicing witchcraft in Kisii County, Kenya. These people were variously clubbed and stabbed to death and then burned. A quick Google search for 'witchcraft kisii' reveals that this may be ongoing and much worse than I initially thought.

And they were Jews or Christians? This kind of thing is very common in Africa, but it's mostly a culturally Islamic thing.

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

And they were Jews or Christians? This kind of thing is very common in Africa, but it's mostly a culturally Islamic thing.

Kisii County is, from what I can tell, overwhelmingly Christian. To the point where it seems that demographers are more interested in the split between Roman Catholics and Seventh Day Adventists than Christians and Muslims. It appears that victims and perpetrators are both Christian and - frequently - the victims are family members of the chief perpetrators. A DailyMail article from November 2012 reports that "over 50" people over the age of 60 had been lynched due to charges of witchcraft to that time, that year.

Originally Posted by Averageman

The agents of ISIS in Europe seem to be ratcheting up the pressure looking for a good fight.
I'm hoping they get one.
I wouldn't take issue if they went door to door and loaded cattle cars and sent several hundred thousand back to Syria and Iraq.

Beg to disagree. Load them on flat bottom LST's and drop them on the beach at the ass end of Yemen. Let Saudi Arabia, which has taken in ZERO refugees deal with them.

Quite frankly, that's also my solution for illegal Mexican immigrants in America. Drop them on the beach just North of the Guatemalan border and let Mexico figure out what to do with them. My give a shit meter has been pegged so many times, it is pretty much irreparably broken.