Terror in Brussels, The New Norm for Europe?

Why do you believe religion has nothing to do with it ? islam teaches it's followers to rape, rob, kill, and subjugate by any means necessary. The attacks are only 1 tool in their toolbox they use to attack the enemy....which is any nonmuslim.

Howdy,

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

BINGO.

It's sad that this place has become a congregation point for switched-off-types and those who put their heads in the sand and willingly ignore the causes of the conflict of our times.

There are no "Religions of Peace" because the whole point of religion is to clump together large groups of weak minded people and move them to do your bidding- it's a lever.

If these pissed off underclass people didn't have Islam in common to unite behind, they would be ripe for the picking for any other ideological movement.

Wanna be the leader? Just pick the ideology and sell it online. You could start up a European branch of FARC if you wanted... or anything else...

In violent, backward places, people live violent, backward lives.

All that being said- Let's build a wall and put them on the other side.

Heck, here in the USA We call them T-Rump supporters. Some people are easily dope, fooled and/or conned.

Lenin

Hitler

Joseph Smith

Jim Jones

David Koresh

Charles Manson

And that's to just name a few.

Also there are several Combat Veterans on this forum that risked their lives to defend this country and that did it for reasons other than religion.

I'll use the late pro football player turned Army Range Pat Tillman that left his NFL career and million dollar paycheck behind to enlist after 9-11 and he was an atheist.

Heck, he got shot in the back by a cowardly Bible thumper that didn't have the testicular fortitude to fight.

Tillman didn't enlist because of religious reasons, he did it out of hate and wanting revenge.

Paul

Howdy,

Originally Posted by wilson1911

Why do you believe religion has nothing to do with it ? islam teaches it's followers to rape, rob, kill, and subjugate by any means necessary. The attacks are only 1 tool in their toolbox they use to attack the enemy....which is any nonmuslim.

Where does it say that in the Koran?

Just curious.

Paul

Originally Posted by Stengun

Heck, here in the USA We call them T-Rump supporters. Some people are easily dope, fooled and/or conned.

So supporting Trump is tantamount to supporting Islamic jihad. That is what you're trying to say right? Islamic terrorists blowing themselves up in an airport is equivalent to voting for a political candidate you happen to disagree with?

I don't think people bomb, behead, and shoot places up because they are happy go lucky people.

Hatred is kind of implied. People are, and have been for millenia, using religion as an excuse to do mean things.

And, me personally, I think some of these religions are just made up bullshit. I don't want to harsh on others so I won't take it further but that's my deal.

A lot of these places are kinda backwards with poor literacy or poor perspective and people get brought up in this stuff from real young age.

In America, if your family were Jesus freaks...you'd eventually turn 14 and say "gee...I am sick of all these little mores and rituals"

But in these other places you can't do that. In a predominantly Islamic country, I doubt some 16 year old girl could say "Yo, Mom and Poppers...the burqa thing isn't doing it for me. I would like to wear some ripped black skinny jeans and v necks. Maybe even go Goth. Also, not heading to Mosque anymore, just gonna chill and listen to depeche mode. Maybe play some Xbox or Vine"

Lol...no.

I mean I'm not a fan of Islam, but it's not JUST Islam. Go watch Jesus Camp. It'll piss you off.

I consider myself a person of faith, but I err on the side that God in whichever form He chooses does not want people to kill or harm others.

But in a lot of places, religion gives people instant legitimacy because people are looking for a God and end up with a manipulative person who couldn't do anything else but be a preacher.

Communists hid behind Communism
Jihadis hide behind Islam.

Blah

Originally Posted by Straight Shooter

A lot of sinful, insane & murderous shit has been done in the name of Christianity. It was WRONG, and they weren't true Christians, NO WHERE did Christ command any of the crap that was done in His name. THATS the difference. Blaming true Christianity for the actions of those who aren't is just some peoples way of making themselves feel better about living in sin, unsaved. For lack of better examples..its like blaming Jack Daniel for alchoholism....S&W for murder...Viagra for rapists...and Ford for auto accidents.
Jesus Christ never commanded anyone to do violence in His name.
And as Moose Knuckle said- holding Christians of today accountable for the SINS of those a long long time ago, its just an easy out for those of you wishing to live outside of Christ, and to be able to do your own thing. Anyone who ever murdered "in the name of Christ" did it not because of Christ commands, but out of their own sin nature. SHOW ME in The New Testament where we are commanded to stone, kill, rape, beat, sodmize, commit pedoephilia, beastiality, torture, assault, and all the whole litany of shit Muslims are commanded or allowed to do for Islam. IVE READ THE KORAN, QURAN or however the hell they wish to pronounce it...it is pure evil. Influenced by Satan himself.
Those who follow..whether or not they have AS YET to act on it, are evil, sick demon worshippers. Someone in this thread said to ask a Muslim if they believe in Jihad, if they say no, they aren't part of the problem. WHAT?! REALLY? You don't know they are TOLD TO LIE by the Koran? Youd believe them just by asking them? That is ****in insanely suicidealy retarded.
Some of yall here, are something else. As noted before, I have nothing in common with many of you other than a passion for firearms, period. Keep believing there are two different kinds of Muslims, radical & peace loving. You FOOL. There are ONLY Muslims, period. May YOUR neck be the next to be hacked off..YOUR body the next to be blown to bits. Youll know then what an idiot you were.

I have a hard time reconciling the last two paragraphs with the true nature of Christ. That, Christ, is the main reason that I am loathe to advocate the wholesale salughter or denial of rights to folks based not on their actions, but on their faith - even though it is the wrong faith.

Jews, Catholics, Mormans, Jehovah Witnesses, all believe differently than me, I say let them slide until they do something that deserves our wrath.

Does that mean that I think we should let everyone that wants to come into our country do so? Not all. Do I believe that we should allow the Muslims, or any faith, that locates in the U.S. impose their beliefs on us in terms of Sharia Law, etc.? Not all.

islam is not just the koran. The sira and hadith are more important imho. A good muslim is one that behaves as mohamed did. I do find it odd that so many want to talk about the koran, but not the other two books.

I don't know everything, but I am reading dr bill warners books on islam.

In american christian terms we have WWJD, in islam they have WWMD.

Howdy DE26,

Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26

So supporting Trump is tantamount to supporting Islamic jihad. That is what you're trying to say right? Islamic terrorists blowing themselves up in an airport is equivalent to voting for a political candidate you happen to disagree with?

It doesn't have anything to do with religion. It has to do with being angry and wanting to blame someone else for your failures.

All the people I listed were able to convince ( hence the name CON or con artist) people into doing things that was NOT in their best interest.

The ultra right wing nutjob Jim Jones talked over 600 adults into drinking cyanide laced flavr-rite grape drink mix, giving it to their kids and killing a US Congressman.

Charles Manson talked people into killing for him out of hate.

Hate and fear are the two most powerful emotions known to Mankind.

T-Rump has motivated his followers out of hate and fear. Heck, he has convinced some of his followers to violently attack their fellow Americans out of hate and fear.

Paul

Paul

Originally Posted by Stengun

Howdy DE26,



It doesn't have anything to do with religion. It has to do with being angry and wanting to blame someone else for your failures.

All the people I listed were able to convince ( hence the name CON or con artist) people into doing things that was NOT in their best interest.

The ultra right wing nutjob Jim Jones talked over 600 adults into drinking cyanide laced flavr-rite grape drink mix, giving it to their kids and killing a US Congressman.

Charles Manson talked people into killing for him out of hate.

Hate and fear are the two most powerful emotions known to Mankind.

T-Rump has motivated his followers out of hate and fear. Heck, he has convinced some of his followers to violently attack their fellow Americans out of hate and fear.

Paul

Paul

Not to get too far off topic here, but the attacks I've seen on the news have been primarily carried out by those on the left wing.

That being said, these terrorists are not "blaming others for their failures". They consider themselves to be soldiers in a holy war, and they die in the name of their God. Yes, they are full of hate. But that hate stems from their religion. That fact is inescapable.

Originally Posted by wilson1911

islam is not just the koran. The sira and hadith are more important imho. A good muslim is one that behaves as mohamed did. I do find it odd that so many want to talk about the koran, but not the other two books.

I don't know everything, but I am reading dr bill warners books on islam.

In american christian terms we have WWJD, in islam they have WWMD.

You can't be serious. You do know how Mohammed behaved, don't you? Unless you're saying that acting like he did makes them a model Muslim, as opposed to what we would describe as a "good" (as we understand the word "good") Muslim.

"Good" being kind, virtuous, etc.