Terror in Brussels, The New Norm for Europe?

Throughout human history religion has been used to justify doing nasty things to other people. The crusades, the inquisition, witch trials.... you name it, we've probably done it. The mainstream western religions (Christianity, Judaism...) to this day still preach that their version of God is the true one and all those other belief systems will land their followers in Hell vs Heaven. However, over the past thousand years or so they have tempered their approach from convert by any means necessary into the screw them if they want t go to hell let them approach. Islam, especially as taught and embraced by the Stone Age kingdoms of the Middle East has not. I'm willing to believe that Islam as practiced by folks in the first world is different than what is done by the Stone Age crowd. However, we (western civilization) continue to allow the Stone Age crowd to multiply and expand into other areas. It is ludicrous to believe that as these backwards folks expand into other regions in large numbers that they wont bring their beliefs with them and just as importantly they won't spread their belief among the locals. Some locals may laugh others as we have seen may choose to embrace. Not a good thing.

Claiming that Islam isn't a problem is disingenuous, just as claiming that Islam is the only problem. The version of Islam being allowed to spread and thrive is a problem simply because it's still on the same level of mental capacity as Inquisition Catholicism.

Stop trying to make up feel good excuses. Identify the problem and eliminate it. It's not hard if you want to do it. We just don't have the balls for it.

Originally Posted by Firefly

I don't think people bomb, behead, and shoot places up because they are happy go lucky people.

Hatred is kind of implied. People are, and have been for millenia, using religion as an excuse to do mean things.

And, me personally, I think some of these religions are just made up bullshit. I don't want to harsh on others so I won't take it further but that's my deal.

A lot of these places are kinda backwards with poor literacy or poor perspective and people get brought up in this stuff from real young age.

In America, if your family were Jesus freaks...you'd eventually turn 14 and say "gee...I am sick of all these little mores and rituals"

But in these other places you can't do that. In a predominantly Islamic country, I doubt some 16 year old girl could say "Yo, Mom and Poppers...the burqa thing isn't doing it for me. I would like to wear some ripped black skinny jeans and v necks. Maybe even go Goth. Also, not heading to Mosque anymore, just gonna chill and listen to depeche mode. Maybe play some Xbox or Vine"

Lol...no.

I mean I'm not a fan of Islam, but it's not JUST Islam. Go watch Jesus Camp. It'll piss you off.

I consider myself a person of faith, but I err on the side that God in whichever form He chooses does not want people to kill or harm others.

But in a lot of places, religion gives people instant legitimacy because people are looking for a God and end up with a manipulative person who couldn't do anything else but be a preacher.

Communists hid behind Communism
Jihadis hide behind Islam.

Blah

I agree

A lot of the hate and restlessness comes from a life of uncertainty and centuries of false teachings. Over there, religion and politics are one in the same. Centuries of corrupt religious leaders, sharia law, tyrannical dictatorships, frontier justice system, strict rules for women and almost unachievable standards for men. Centuries of genocide and wide spread killings. Famine and drought on a biblical scale. The only way for those Kings, Dictators, Shah and Ayatollah's to stay in power is to convince there people the problem comes from somewhere else. Most point towards the west, most point towards Israel. When Iraq, Libya, Syria collapsed it brought more uncertainty and fear that the west was going to have a much bigger influence in the Middle East. The Quran is anything but consistent, it is a book written by Muhammad out of his own frustration, anxiety, anger and rage. No where does it speak about peace, compassion, forgiveness, love, kindness, patience (everything Jesus IS). Christians are called to lead and promote peace (that's why Jesus is the Prince of Peace). We are called to HATE SIN but LOVE the sinner as he has for us. Im sure when the new world was discovered and colonized by the puritans, they burned accused witches at the stake. I don't agree with the punishment, but they were escaping persecution and wanted a new world dedicated to serving God, if anyone got in there way, they burned them. The US was extremely religious in its early days. Men who feared God and worshiped him publically. Harvard, Yale, William & Marry, Princeton, Columbia and Brown were all affiliated with the Church of England and the foundation of those universities was biblical, now days they are so liberal, they cannot mention the word GOD. Gods word is truth, and has stood the test of time. God doesn't change his mind, nor does he add or omit his word. A lot of people refuse God because God doesn't like hypocrites, abortion, false idols, money, liars, homosexuality, thief's and people who cheat on there wife. I don't blame him. Many other can understand how so many people are starving around the world and dying everyday, natural disasters, famine, disease and if there was a God, why would he allow this to happen. They don't understand, that is how God, gets peoples attention.

There is only ONE GOD who had ONE son, and his only son died for our sins because the wages of sin is death. It was either pay the price for our sins so we could have a eternal relationship with our creator or be thrown into hell.

FYI the crusades were a retaliation for four centuries worth of invasion attempts by you guessed it, Muslims. Islam hasnt gone through their version of a Reformation to purge the violent sects from it. They are still in the middle ages

Howdy DE26,

Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26

Not to get too far off topic here, but the attacks I've seen on the news have been primarily carried out by those on the left wing.

That being said, these terrorists are not "blaming others for their failures". They consider themselves to be soldiers in a holy war, and they die in the name of their God. Yes, they are full of hate. But that hate stems from their religion. That fact is inescapable.

So, you're saying that the terror attacks in Europe that have been carried out by "religious terrorist" are liberals?

That's the funniest and kookiest thing I've heard in a long time.

Paul

Originally Posted by Stengun

Howdy DE26,



So, you're saying that the terror attacks in Europe that have been carried out by "religious terrorist" are liberals?

That's the funniest and kookiest thing I've heard in a long time.

Paul

Go back and read your previous post. You insinuated that Trump is inspiring people to attack people who disagree with them. I pointed out that it is in fact those on the left carrying out these attacks. There's a reason I separated my paragraphs.

Howdy wilson1911,

Originally Posted by wilson1911

islam is not just the koran. The sira and hadith are more important imho. A good muslim is one that behaves as mohamed did. I do find it odd that so many want to talk about the koran, but not the other two books.

I don't know everything, but I am reading dr bill warners books on islam.

In american christian terms we have WWJD, in islam they have WWMD.

Now I see the problem.

You are reading books written by a non-Muslim that tries to explain to you what devout Muslims believe and feel.

Okey dokey.

Paul

Originally Posted by Stengun

Howdy,



Where does it say that in the Koran?

Just curious.

Paul

here is your answer:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Autho...men_slaves.htm

by "good" I mean act and do as mohammed did. I said that looking thru a muslims brain, not a nonmuslim. To be a good muslim, do and act as mohammed did. Is he not the prophet on allah ?

I think we can all agree mohammed smoked too much opium/hash or whatever. No sane man would do the things he did.

Originally Posted by Stengun

Howdy wilson1911,



Now I see the problem.

You are reading books written by a non-Muslim that tries to explain to you what devout Muslims believe and feel.

Okey dokey.

Paul

Look at it this way: If a dog is about to bite me, I don't care how it was brought up, if it was beaten every day, starved, or whatever. All that matters is that I'm about to be attacked. Therefore I will do what is necessary---up to and including killing it---to protect myself or my loved ones.

Likewise I don't really give a damn about the shitholes in the ME and how the young 'uns are raised, how crappy their lives are, how bleak the outlook, or what they have latched onto as their "salvation". All that concerns me is that the threat needs to be eliminated. Are all Muslims terrorists? No, of course not. But are all terrorists Muslims? Yep. [I'm talking about the here and now, 2001-2016, not the IRA of the 70's or the Tamils of yesteryear]

Originally Posted by wilson1911

by "good" I mean act and do as mohammed did. I said that looking thru a muslims brain, not a nonmuslim. To be a good muslim, do and act as mohammed did. Is he not the prophet on allah ?

I think we can all agree mohammed smoked too much opium/hash or whatever. No sane man would do the things he did.

Probably didn't smoke enough! The shit he did sounds more like he was tripping on LSD or snorting coke.