Terror in Brussels, The New Norm for Europe?

Originally Posted by Straight Shooter

Muslims are good...Islam a religion of peace..jihad not so bad...Christianity as bad or worse than Islam...Obama the most pro-gun President ever...some wanting Hillary to win..
Damn. Just..damn.

A lot of those sentiments are sarcasm, bitterness, and a case of dammit all

Originally Posted by Firefly

A lot of those sentiments are sarcasm, bitterness, and a case of dammit all

Some,maybe. NOT ALL.

thats stupid ? dont argue with someone when they are wrong just let them keep being wrong !!! HEY BLM !!!!!!!

OH this old lady who has been driving for like 60 years !!! I have no right to tell her she is driving wrong cause she has been doing it longer than the rest of us ?
don't discuss or correct the KKK guy about his racism or history cause he has lived in the south and partied with em so we have to respect that !!!!!
again one has to separate islam and muslims !!!!

LOTS of people fought for this country and were on the ground with them etc..

my cousin has been in middle east for something like 15 years now !!! so I guess he has more credibility than others ?

so how about a guy who was born there and hung out with the Bin Laden family and was mixed up in bad things and found his way out I would say he has way way way more cred then some guy who was in the service and served in the middle east which again is a HUGE amount of people


I just wont let someone spout out his own version of things and history it needs to be corrected



what if he just partied with the enemy maybe ? maybe not ? but the fact is partying with them does not make one understand islam more than someone who has studied it from those who truly lived in it and from the books itself and its history
so what if you found out those guys he partied with did some jihad and killed Americans would you be feeling the same ? because you never know

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

Guys, I don't necessarily agree with everything KEV says, but here is my take - he has partied with Muslims on the ground in their countries; he has spent a significant amount of time in the region; he is an American who has stepped forward to serve the Nation.

Those things cause me to slide towards not trying to change his views or argue with him based on something I read.

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

I've got some personal friends from Trinidad, fellow martial artists I've trained with for over 20 years, who are technically Muslim, but of the "I just don't eat pork" variety. Does that make my views unimpeachable as well?

I guess we're getting somewhere... did you take anything away from the experience??

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

I also know a couple VN vets who never reconciled their views of "black folks", even when it came to their fellow veterans. I knew them growing up but didn't learn about their racial biases until years later when I started to regularly shoot with them.

This whole sidebar is just bizarre and sad.

I feel bad for you.

You need some new friends. Spring is here. Go outside.

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

And like I said previous, if there are muslims who HONESTLY reject the notion of any "valid Jihad" then I'd gladly welcome them as a modern, civilized person of the world.

Again, you continue to misconstrue the concept of Jihad, after it's already been explained. I guess there's really no point in continuing, so disregard the above query.

Originally Posted by Honu

what if he just partied with the enemy maybe ?

Yeah... 5.56 parties, 7.62 parties, wrasslin' parties, jumpin' outta shit and having surprise parties, "tell me where it is and I promise we'll leave" parties, "sorry we can't stick around for the pinata, Saedi, but we need to leave RIGHT NOW" parties...

Slap the living shit out of yourself.

Then go splash cold water, look in the mirror, and do it again.

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

I've got some personal friends from Trinidad, fellow martial artists I've trained with for over 20 years, who are technically Muslim, but of the "I just don't eat pork" variety. Does that make my views unimpeachable as well?

Did I say he was unimpeachable? I said I wasn't inclined to argue his point because of his experience - mine doesn't stack-up.

What I was nicely trying to say in a roundabout way is something that FromMyColdDeadHand chastised me for: he's prior service in the area, STFU, and listen more unless you have comparable experience.


I also know a couple VN vets who never reconciled their views of "black folks", even when it came to their fellow veterans. I knew them growing up but didn't learn about their racial biases until years later when I started to regularly shoot with them. Out of deference to their military service should I simply accept their racial views and stop telling them why I disagree with them?

Well, I've been thumped by random gangs of black men (most under 21), served in the Marines during the VN era - they had to post armed sentries on the chow lines because of fights - several of which I was involved in, and yet my adopted daughter is black, so my response might be different than yours, but, I'd find new shooting buddies.

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

I guess we're getting somewhere... did you take anything away from the experience??

There are obviously some people who call themselves muslim who really aren't. No different than bacon loving jewish people who have a christmas tree.

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

This whole sidebar is just bizarre and sad.

I feel bad for you.

You need some new friends. Spring is here. Go outside.

Just an example of people I knew as a kid and later learned what they were really about when I got older. My only point was the fact that they are veterans doesn't mean I have to accept their views as another poster suggested we should accept yours because you are a veteran. I really don't consider them friends, that is a list that I keep pretty short.

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

Again, you continue to misconstrue the concept of Jihad, after it's already been explained. I guess there's really no point in continuing, so disregard the above query.

And I would suggest to you that you do understand the concept of Jihad. So let's get specific.

Jihad is religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. Agree or disagree?

A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen. Agree or disagree?

http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/03/fjordman-war/
After the many Islamic terror attacks in Europe in 2015 and 2016, several Western political leaders have stated that we are at “war.”[8] Yes, we are. But at war with whom? Are we supposed to wage war against an enemy we don’t even dare to name?
The cause of this situation is very simple: Mass immigration in general and Muslim immigration in particular. Western Europe did not have these problems 50 years ago. The eastern half of Europe that has not been widely subjected to Muslim immigration does not face the same problems today. All those who have promoted or accepted Muslim immigration are responsible for creating entire urban districts full of people who are plotting to murder us. And yet, they still continue.

Meanwhile, the EU elites have submitted to Turkish blackmail[9]over the massive flow of illegal immigrants to Europe. They consider giving nearly 80 million Muslims in Turkey visa-freeaccess to Europe.[10] In a situation when the security services can no longer control the many militant Muslims we already have, this is criminal behavior. The EU is no longer merely a corrupt and useless organization. It is an actively evil organization.


I would guess that the lack of will to actually do something about it, or to say "The problem is just too large" is actually something else, something with a purpose.
I have this feeling they got to Europe individually or in small family groups, I see no reason why they can't leave the same way.
Immigrants should be like house guests, if you cant bring something to the party, if you can't behave and if you think we need to change the party just for you, you've simply come to the wrong house, let me show you to the door.

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

Did I say he was unimpeachable? I said I wasn't inclined to argue his point because of his experience - mine doesn't stack-up.

What I was nicely trying to say in a roundabout way is something that FromMyColdDeadHand chastised me for: he's prior service in the area, STFU, and listen more unless you have comparable experience.

Ever met a guy with lots of time in the military who had a lot of misinformation when it came to firearms? Ever known a guy who has never been in the military but is almost a walking technical manual when it comes to firearms?

The stay in your lane stuff is very much dependent upon the two parties involved. Not everyone in the military is a SME, they simply have experiences, some good...some bad. But you really don't need to live in Iran or Saudi Arabia to understand what Sharia Law is.

Originally Posted by 26 Inf

Well, I've been thumped by random gangs of black men (most under 21), served in the Marines during the VN era - they had to post armed sentries on the chow lines because of fights - several of which I was involved in, and yet my adopted daughter is black, so my response might be different than yours, but, I'd find new shooting buddies.

Not sure I'd call these guys buddies, they were people I knew growing up and later got to know what they were really about when I got older. I may understand some of their motivations, one guy got robbed as a teenager while working at a restaurant and was pistol whipped pretty good, but I don't agree with their final assessments of "all" people of a given race.

I should also mention that we were part of the same shooting club and they nominated me for membership. While I appreciated that I was allowed to join the club because they vouched for me, I never really appreciated when the discussions became political or turned to race because I would either have to listen to that BS or argue with that BS. Eventually I just didn't renew my membership despite it being a nice facility.

But I only brought it up to address the notion that we should leave some people to their beliefs because they've earned them. And just so we are clear, I agree in some cases. For example when my grandfather had his war buddies over to the house you didn't bring up the Japanese. They didn't want to see a Honda car, a Sony radio and they thought you were a traitor if you bought anything from the Japanese. I caused my own grandfather some grief in this area due to my involvement in Japanese martial arts.

I understood why they felt this way, they lost buddies in the Pacific and saw first hand what the Japanese were capable of. Being a student of history I wasn't going to attempt to waste time trying to reform their views, despite the fact that I personally knew several Japanese instructors who were nothing like they believed all Japanese were secretly inside.

So we are back to the sometimes complex issue of race, religion and related BS.

It kinda hurts my heart to see intelligent folks getting hung up on minor differences.

I will echo 26 though. Having worked in all black areas and having had to raise my hand in violence because they thought they wanted to dance and having to dole out ass beatings and cuffs for their efforts could easily leave one bitter.

And to an extent it has.

But...it's not everybody. And there comes a time to step away.

If a buncha old salts say something vulgar or mean in momentary disdain; meh....it's life. Sometimes a spade is a spade.

But if people can't get off it and abide by the warrior poets Depeche Mode that people are people then....f' em. Being pissed off or closed minded one's whole life is a waste.

I don't want to go here but..."Onward Christian soldiers marching as to war" is a popular hymn. Most religions have some form of war or strife doctrine.

Like, read the Golden Bough sometime.

I, personally, don't agree with Islam and it's not my thing but throwing baby out with bathwater is counterproductive

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

There are obviously some people who call themselves muslim who really aren't.

...and this is something you decided???

Probably, I guess, nobody here is a qualified Christian then... except for those who like passing into the pearly gates of heaven more than premarital summertime bonfire sneak off in the woods and go bang sex?

...and yet there are still folks who identify as Christian. How is that possible?

The answer is that you are not the appointed Simon Cowell of judging people's faith or not- people get to worship as they choose. Welcome to America.

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

My only point was the fact that they are veterans doesn't mean I have to accept their views as another poster suggested we should accept yours because you are a veteran.

...which is not something that I said, and is the opposite of the point.

You don't have to cross the great ocean to learn about Islam, or to interact with Muslims. Muslims are our friends and neighbors, our co-workers, our young people's friends and classmates... and the dudes that we roll with at the Rex-Kwon-Do studio next to the Nail Salon and that weird privately owned shoe store that nobody goes inside.

You're trying so damn hard to be obtuse- just switch your brain back on.

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Jihad is religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. Agree or disagree?

Didn't you have Social Studies in, like... Middle School?

There are 5 Pillars of Islam that are essential to the faith:

1) Shahada: Faith in God
2) Salat: Prayer
3) Zakat: Charity
4) Sawm: Fasting during Ramadan
5) Hajj: Making the pilgrimage to Mecca (if you can)

Do you see Jihad anywhere up there???
(...or anything bad at all?)

I know that none of this fits your brainwashed narrative, which you have clearly rehearsed and taken to heart.

I'm sorry, but you've been fed a line of horse shit.

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen. Agree or disagree?

Literally, a person engaged in Jihad is a Jihadi... a Mujahid is slightly different and has the added connotation of armed jihad/ warfare.

Maybe you should spout off about deep sea drilling or something else you don't know much about and we'll all just be like, "Yeaaaaahhhhh..."