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Thread: How has the military dealt with copper fouling from "Brown Tip" ammunition?

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    Nosler owns ssa. Ssa no longer is the same product at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    Nosler owns ssa. Ssa no longer is the same product at all.
    Okay, that makes sense now as a Nosler page came up in the list when I Googled SSA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    Okay, that makes sense now as a Nosler page came up in the list when I Googled SSA.
    It is in no way the same ammo, either, just FYI. Same projectile, maybe. That's where it stops.

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    Black hills does not use a cfe type powder in their tsx loadings.

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    Yeah, I just got some of their 70gr GMX ammo so it shouldn't leave as much copper fouling as the TSX bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    I know it's not a general-issue round but surely the .mil has to have contemplated the copper buildup that the Barnes bullets leave, at least as compared to M855 and the like. The tip-of-the-spear types who use it are no doubt putting more rounds downrange at a pop than the reported copper accumulation civvies have experienced (like issues with accuracy degradation with as few as 50 rounds or less). I can't see some CAG/DEVGRU guy stopping to clean after 2 mags worth of shooting.
    TSX bullets don't foul much if any worse than conventional guilded bullets.

    Copper fouling in a short chromed lined barrel is also minimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Burns View Post
    TSX bullets don't foul much if any worse than conventional guilded bullets.

    Copper fouling in a short chromed lined barrel is also minimal.
    Not to be a contrarian or start a pissing contest but I've read quite a few accounts online of them fouling markedly more. These accounts include threads on here where guys saw accuracy degradation in as few as 30-50 rounds. You know if accuracy is beginning to suffer the copper deposits must be somewhat horrendous.
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    I'd NEVER run a bullet that required CFE type powder to keep the barrel accurate. Eff that nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    I'd NEVER run a bullet that required CFE type powder to keep the barrel accurate. Eff that nonsense.
    I have the Barnes 110gr TAC-TX ammo for my 300BLK setup. At the current time it seems to be the primo hard-hitter out there in supersonic. I am looking for the Hornady 110gr GMX to become available (as in actually in stock somewhere). I too don't care for an extra cleaning step with my weapons, I'm anal enough as it is!

    I am slowly transitioning to the BH 70gr GMX as my high-end 5.56mm choice. A couple hundred more for my "rainy day" stash and I'll be GTG. In the meantime, anyone wanna buy some Silver State Armory 5.56mm NATO 70gr TSX ammo (the equivalent of the elusive military "brown tip" round)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    I have the Barnes 110gr TAC-TX ammo for my 300BLK setup. At the current time it seems to be the primo hard-hitter out there in supersonic. I am looking for the Hornady 110gr GMX to become available (as in actually in stock somewhere). I too don't care for an extra cleaning step with my weapons, I'm anal enough as it is!

    I am slowly transitioning to the BH 70gr GMX as my high-end 5.56mm choice. A couple hundred more for my "rainy day" stash and I'll be GTG. In the meantime, anyone wanna buy some Silver State Armory 5.56mm NATO 70gr TSX ammo (the equivalent of the elusive military "brown tip" round)?
    What have you observed of the 70gr gmx? In my testing on pork shoulder and water jugs it just f fragged and tumbled.

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