Gary Johnson polling at 15% (was 13%)

Originally Posted by nova3930

IMO, people should be strategic.

I'm probably gonna pull the trigger for Johnson but that's because there's no way in hell AL will go for Hilldog. It gives the LP some help in getting exposure without too much risk of putting Hillary in the WH.

If I was in a battleground state where every vote matters, I'd rethink that plan to keep Hilldog out....

Good points. I voted TP every time as I was in MA where my vote didn't matter anyway. Now living in a battleground state, I will keep a sharp eye out and will either hold nose and vote Trump or will vote Johnson, depending on how things play out over the coming months.

Will, what does Johnson offer that you like and do those things more closely match what Trump is saying, or Hillary. If it's closer to Trump's then most likely Johnson would be taking votes from the Trump side, which is good for Hillary, no? I think we all agree that she is just not an option and would do almost anything to keep her from nominating the next 1, 2, 3 or more SCOTUS judges right?

That's my fear, that any other candidate at this point that would even be remotely palatable, is just going to rob votes from what appears to be the only serious chance to defeat Hillary, Trump.

And I am asking this seriously; can Johnson really defeat Hillary?

Hearing Drumpf referred to as a serious choice makes me cringe and the Founding Fathers spin in their graves.

I wonder if some money from the Dems will be funnelled to the 3rd party candidate. The last few elections in Virginia were close and the Libertarian candidate pulled enough votes from the Republican for the Democrat to win. The local radio station said the number one donor in the last election to the Virginia Libertarian candidate was a Democrat. I bet the Virginia VP candidate is well aware. David

Originally Posted by rocsteady

Will, what does Johnson offer that you like and do those things more closely match what Trump is saying, or Hillary. If it's closer to Trump's then most likely Johnson would be taking votes from the Trump side, which is good for Hillary, no? I think we all agree that she is just not an option and would do almost anything to keep her from nominating the next 1, 2, 3 or more SCOTUS judges right?

The vibe I'm getting is actually that a lot of Bernie voters are swinging to Johnson. They hated losing but now they're pissed that the DNC conspired against them with Clinton.

Originally Posted by nova3930

The vibe I'm getting is actually that a lot of Bernie voters are swinging to Johnson. They hated losing but now they're pissed that the DNC conspired against them with Clinton.

Either way, the third part just mostly pulls votes from the Rep side.

That is how we got a second term with Bill. The Clinton's KNOW this and will work it. If he gains any ground it is a sure win for HRC.

It is truly said Americans are not smart enough to see this.

HRC can't beat Trump. But she can win based on the ignorance of the American people.

Originally Posted by rocsteady

Will, what does Johnson offer that you like and do those things more closely match what Trump is saying, or Hillary. If it's closer to Trump's then most likely Johnson would be taking votes from the Trump side, which is good for Hillary, no? I think we all agree that she is just not an option and would do almost anything to keep her from nominating the next 1, 2, 3 or more SCOTUS judges right?

That's my fear, that any other candidate at this point that would even be remotely palatable, is just going to rob votes from what appears to be the only serious chance to defeat Hillary, Trump.

And I am asking this seriously; can Johnson really defeat Hillary?

Good points and fair Qs. The problem is to answer them is to just rehash what I and others don't like about Trump which has been covered ad nauseam in the existing Trump thread(s). I have no faith in anything Trump says per the fact much of it is 180 from his prior positions, etc. Your concerns are valid of course.

Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn

Hearing Drumpf referred to as a serious choice makes me cringe and the Founding Fathers spin in their graves.

Agreed. It's a scary time, but it aint boring!

Originally Posted by dwhitehorne

I wonder if some money from the Dems will be funnelled to the 3rd party candidate. The last few elections in Virginia were close and the Libertarian candidate pulled enough votes from the Republican for the Democrat to win. The local radio station said the number one donor in the last election to the Virginia Libertarian candidate was a Democrat. I bet the Virginia VP candidate is well aware. David

We do know some within the GOP feel Trump is such a poor candidate, they are funneling money to HC camp who otherwise would have given to GOP candidate:

http://observer.com/2016/05/wealthy-...nton-campaign/

I will say, all prior rules are no more and major shifts are taking place within both parties and Dem sending $ to TP could come back to bite them in the ass in a major fashion is polls are correct.

Originally Posted by docsherm

Either way, the third part just mostly pulls votes from the Rep side.

That is how we got a second term with Bill. The Clinton's KNOW this and will work it. If he gains any ground it is a sure win for HRC.

It is truly said Americans are not smart enough to see this.

HRC can't beat Trump. But she can win based on the ignorance of the American people.

That is how we got the first term of Bill, less so the second time. In 1992 Perot got 19% of the popular vote. He got far less in 1996. Clinton never had >50% in either election.

Originally Posted by docsherm

Either way, the third part just mostly pulls votes from the Rep side.

That is how we got a second term with Bill. The Clinton's KNOW this and will work it. If he gains any ground it is a sure win for HRC.

It is truly said Americans are not smart enough to see this.

HRC can't beat Trump. But she can win based on the ignorance of the American people.

Put it this way, the 538 tracker has gotten very interesting in the last few days since all the emails leaked. It's now pegged trump at a 53% chance to win as of today.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

That is how we got the first term of Bill, less so the second time. In 1992 Perot got 19% of the popular vote. He got far less in 1996. Clinton never had >50% in either election.

That is what I meant, Perot screwed us....... And those that voted for him.