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    Quote Originally Posted by rmecapn View Post
    Are these both the same metal?
    I personally do not like the DPMS stuff but in this case is this aluminum vs aluminum? Rmecapn raised the question...DPMS does make a steel CH. I have never seen one but that may make a difference. I personally use a PRI M84 and will continue to do so on any carbine I build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    It is, as usual, simply a symptom of a greater problem; a company that doesn't know what they're doing.
    Actually, I think that you might be wrong on this one- They know exactly what they are doing, and that is even worse.

    And while the thickness of the charging handle may or may not induce failure, it certainly does not bode well for their QC on more obscure points.
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    I am going to try and get some pics of the BM charging handles at another site that are all breaking. In some cases the roll pin securing the latch is shearing and in other cases the handles are becoming warped. As soon as I have some detailed info I will post it here.



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    you can trust DPMS to cut corners and save a buck at your expense
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKNLOD View Post
    Full agreement with you there. I'll admit i'm curious now, IIRC my old CH is an LMT and i've got a CMT one on the way from grant, I'll have to compare the two just for grins
    For whatever it's worth, I I just compared my new CMT (got yesterday) and old LMT (I think LMT, 2005ish) handles and they both are thicker.

    I was thinking my older handle was thinner, but I was wrong. That's what I get for "thinking" instead of "knowing"
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    The charging handle is a detail Ive completely overlooked.
    Yall can add Armalite to the thin list also.
    Compared the charging handles from my old Armalite A2 upper and new LMT upper to the brand spankin new Armalite upper.The old Armalite and LMT are identicle,the charging handle out of the new Armalite 20" upper is thin like the DPMS pictured.
    Man yall continue to cause me to spend money.

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    I can tell you from personal experience that a factory Colt handle will break. Buy a steel one if you absolutely must have a "no fail" part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Actually, I think that you might be wrong on this one- They know exactly what they are doing, and that is even worse.

    And while the thickness of the charging handle may or may not induce failure, it certainly does not bode well for their QC on more obscure points.
    Emails that I have received from DPMS and Olympic with regards to the chart indicate to me that, while perhaps there is some bean counter at the top that knows what they are doing is jacked up, the rank and file really have no idea how screwed up their products are.

    Contrast that with Bushmaster, which has shown that they are capable of producing a proper rifle when demanded but chose not to in order to enhance profits.

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    When Bushmaster was sold things changed,some say for the better some say for the worse . I find thier current rifles to be a crap shoot . if you get a good one fine if you don't they will fix it . no way to do things if you ask me .looks like they are trying to get away with doing it right the first time and hopeing no one notices.
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    I bought a DPMS carbine before I found this site and the issues I have seen posted about them have me wondering. Do they produce a better quality rifle for the LE market or did I just get lucky? My charging hand looks like the colt in the OPs picture. The bolt carrier that came on my rifle and the spare I ordered later both have properly staked gas keys. The question is, if they can and do make solid parts, why not put them on all their products?
    "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
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