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    If I'm not mistaken some CH's are forged and the cheaper one's are extruded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAW3 View Post
    I bought a DPMS carbine before I found this site and the issues I have seen posted about them have me wondering. Do they produce a better quality rifle for the LE market or did I just get lucky? My charging hand looks like the colt in the OPs picture. The bolt carrier that came on my rifle and the spare I ordered later both have properly staked gas keys. The question is, if they can and do make solid parts, why not put them on all their products?
    I guess it's the luck of the draw. I have one that came from DPMS with a FF handguard, the gas key was staked correctly and it had M4 feedramps. The charging handle is not thin like the one in the picture. The barrel is not chrome lined, but for my intended use, is not a problem for me. The castle nut was not staked but I took care of that when I replaced the buffer tube with a mil-spec.

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    It would not surprise me to see a thing DPMS handle in one gun and a thick one in another. One of the problems with DPMS is a lack of a standard that allows them to buy parts and pieces wherever, regardless of quality.

    That handle is probably 3+ years old as well and they may have changed vendors again.

    If you all have DPMS carbines with staked keys and M4 feedramps I'd love to hear about them in the chart thread. Maybe something is getting through to them. Either that, or maybe you have a different model than what I'm showing in the chart and I need to change models.? The AP-4 Carbine is the one that's in the chart now. AFAIK the only difference between this and the LE models is the barrel length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    It would not surprise me to see a thing DPMS handle in one gun and a thick one in another. One of the problems with DPMS is a lack of a standard that allows them to buy parts and pieces wherever, regardless of quality.

    That handle is probably 3+ years old as well and they may have changed vendors again.

    If you all have DPMS carbines with staked keys and M4 feedramps I'd love to hear about them in the chart thread. Maybe something is getting through to them. Either that, or maybe you have a different model than what I'm showing in the chart and I need to change models.? The AP-4 Carbine is the one that's in the chart now. AFAIK the only difference between this and the LE models is the barrel length.
    Rob, I wouldn't change the chart based on mine. Maybe I just got lucky. I'm not sure what model it is. As I said earlier, it came with a one piece free float handguard, (no markings), no carry handle. It looked interesting so I pulled the BCG and it was staked well and I saw the M4 ramps, so I took it home. I guess time will tell if I got lucky or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    It would not surprise me to see a thing DPMS handle in one gun and a thick one in another. One of the problems with DPMS is a lack of a standard that allows them to buy parts and pieces wherever, regardless of quality.

    That handle is probably 3+ years old as well and they may have changed vendors again.

    If you all have DPMS carbines with staked keys and M4 feedramps I'd love to hear about them in the chart thread. Maybe something is getting through to them. Either that, or maybe you have a different model than what I'm showing in the chart and I need to change models.? The AP-4 Carbine is the one that's in the chart now. AFAIK the only difference between this and the LE models is the barrel length.
    This could easily explain instances of proper staking, etc. as well. When QC is so low, eventually the "wrong" way will be done "wrong" so often it may end up being right.
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    The two charging handles that I've broken didn't brake at the rear. They broke at the front 90-degree bend. I now use the DPMS steel handle with the PRI flat latch on my personal guns.

    FWIW, when FN started making M16A2s for the Army, they changed the size of the forward assist [made it smaller] but it was still acceptable. Most likely, the MilSpec didn't address the diameter of the FA so FN went a less expensive route. The DPMS charging handle may be the same sort of thing.
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    parts is parts ??

    ok please dont flame me on this one ! i have been around abit with weapons civy and mil -heard the words'' bulk producer'' a maker of parts like olyarms who makes alot of parts for others like colt and others etc its just like the auto parts the same way! colt needs parts rewrap it in box for colt now its colt as dpms but some ask for better steel or not ! yes may be smoked by assembler/builder not real maker so you have a dpms and 50% from olyarms 50% from where? it does the to bottom line who makes what and who uses what !Do the damn research out what you using and built wisely -I learned this one the hard way and it almost killed me once!

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