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    =CarlosDJackal;212163]Does it really take that much time and/or effort to simply chamber a round when you need to? The AR-15 does have a free-floating fring pin and storing it loaded IS an accident just waitring to happen
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    Sounds like a lot of people overthink things, no offense though. I don't blame anyone for erring on the side of safety. But I have way too many other things to worry about than the safety 'breaking' and releasing the hammer all by it's self.

    By all means keep a loaded magazine in it with the hammer forward and all you have to do to put it into action is to pull the charging handle (you won't need to worry about the safety this way). This is how I keep mine stored in my car AND my closet. JM2CW.
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    I can understand this a little better when stored in a vehicle with all the viberations. But keeping the hammer forward means pulling the trigger on a(hopefully) empty chamber, now this would worry the crap out of me and is one reason I'm no longer as big a Glock fan as in years past. As far as getting it into action; flip scope covers up, turn on Aimpoint (count seven clicks), sling rifle across chest. All this happening while I'm moving toward the door, don't need to worry about chambering a round too.

    I can see good reasons to keep the chamber empty on a waiting rifle, but not because of a fear that the rifle will fire without human interface. I have not yet seen a real, investigated report of an AR in proper maintenance that dropped the hammer under any circumstance other than rotating the safety 90 degrees downward and pulling the trigger.
    My thinking exactly. Now understand each person has their own feelings, opinions and desires on this and I would not say any mode of readiness is right or wrong. But in my house I don't have the worry of unwanted people getting a hold of any gun let alone a loaded gun. When we have visitors over, especially with children, then all firearms get locked in the safe.

    I say be as safe and as protected as you can by your own definetion. Stay safe everyone.

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    in my experience i have been taught and believe that any firearm on your person should be locked and loaded. once any firearm leaves your body the chamber should be cleared even if you want to keep a loaded mag in. even overseas we had a policy of not having a round chambered when guns were just sitting in the gear room. just my experience/ two cents. to each his own, ultimately we're all responsible for our own weapon and it's implementation/safety.

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    generally keep my ARs racked out .mil style in the safe. fully unloaded. hammer down, selector on fire, dust cover closed.

    for my HD carbine it generally has a (mostly) full mag, empty chamber. heard of some people who will sometimes have the weapon on SAFE, bolt locked back, mag inserted. just need to be aware that an unexpected jolt to the rifle could chamber a round. obviously this is not a good way to store a rifle, but it its a way to have a weapon ready to go, without having one in the pipe.

    personally, i dont think pulling the CH is that hard, so i just keep an empty chamber.

    my nightstand SIG, i generally keep that fully loaded, chambered....but wouldn't keep an AR like that long term. don't really see the point.

    yeah, you assume they're all loaded, but that doesn't mean you need to keep them like that all the time

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    Oil vs. Primers.

    Hello,

    As far as the oil vs. primers question goes, follow the link and read the entire artical. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot39.htm

    I personally still prefer sealed primers & case mouths thow...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Reed View Post
    Hello,

    As far as the oil vs. primers question goes, follow the link and read the entire artical. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot39.htm

    I personally still prefer sealed primers & case mouths thow...
    Good old BOT, these guys DO have too much fun!! Hadn't seen this one yet, thanks Bob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calviroman View Post
    I take it to the range about 4-5 times per year. In betwen range trips - its a home defense rifle.

    I used to keep it with the chamber empty and a full P-Mag, but prefer not having to chamber a round in a potential "moment of terror".

    Thanks for the replies

    i've considered that, but i'm not sure that in a moment of terror i'd trust that i had chambered a round since last time i cleaned or shot the rifle.


    i'd probably end up pulling the charging handle again just to be sure she was loaded up. plus, honestly, having it loaded and chambered makes me nervous.

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    I don't like to leave my rifles and shotguns cocked for long periods of time so this pretty much requires an empty chamber. I DO leave my carry guns (1911s) cocked and locked, of course.

    Whatever you do, do it the same way everytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdWatcher View Post
    I don't like to leave my rifles and shotguns cocked for long periods of time so this pretty much requires an empty chamber. I DO leave my carry guns (1911s) cocked and locked, of course.

    Whatever you do, do it the same way everytime.
    I like this advice because I keep any pistols that are within my immediate control loaded and chambered (I don't carry defensive handguns with external manual safetys).

    For long guns, I have always kept them loaded, chamber empty and safety off (primarily my Mossberg 590A1 because the manual safety is unreliable and this condition also leaves the slide locked).

    Question: Does anybody know of any professional trainers, or those of you with experience with professional trainers, who would green light keeping a home defense AR (for someone where home invasion by multiple BG's is a possibility) mag loaded, chamber empty, safety off?

    Or: mag and chamber loaded and safety On? (my current AR status)

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    Just some guesses here, but everything I've heard about springs weakening is from compression and rebound cycles, i.e., using them. Storing a fully loaded mag won't compromise the mag spring so I'd doubt storing a "cocked and locked" AR would compromise the trigger or hammer springs.

    I'd store it muzzle up to avoid lube contamination of the primer. I don't use much lube in the barrel so I doubt there'd be much migration down into the chamber area from gravity. And when I clean, I finish with dry patches in the chamber -- no lube in the chamber at all, just a light coat in barrel, and std lubing of the BCG/barrel extension/FCG area. Muzzle down would be worse in this regard, but even then I'm not really sure it would be a problem.

    My biggest concern would be kids/unauthorized users having access to it, but that goes for any type of weapon.

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    ARs are not drop safe. With a round in the chamber & the selector on "safe", the weapon can discharge if dropped, fallen or anything else that could cause the firing pin to move forward due to inertia. This is an unnecessary liability & an ND waiting to happen. Good luck trying to defend yourself if harm is done. Chambering a round takes less time than it does to determine if a viable threat is present.

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