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This.
Regarding the "Recce" discussion, let's just be honest and admit that even using the term at all in the civilian AR market is simply a marketing attempt to make a rifle sound cool, regardless of the barrel length. Which makes perfect sense though, since much of what the SEAL community does is based on perceived cool factor. Not an insult...just calling it like it is.
However, we should all be thankful for the work Crane did with the concept, design, specifications, and improvements to the Recon Rifle/SPR. Truly helped change the AR market.
With that said, I think if you're trying to define any "Recce" rifle, even a short barrel version, it has to be based on a stainless steel barrel and have some kind of magnification.
If you guys don't like the idea of a mini recce thread then don't visit the thread, this is supposed to be about posting builds and pics of rifles you got not some sort of semantics battle.
We already have one - https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...Picture-Thread
This is not AR15.com
They didn't do any work... because RECCE Rifles aren't even real.
Seriously. A RECCE rifle is a Mk... what? It isn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Recon_Rifle
All they did was put together some guy's shopping list for a badass AR-type... and then a different guy with a different list... they don't even track MODs or variations.
Bingo.
Shhh... Don't smash our dreams man!
Even worse, I question the Recon/recce name entirely. Maybe the SEAL/SF recon role is different... Or they just wanted a cool name.
By all accounts, there is quite a bit of training and specialized equipment LRS/recon have to do their jobs. Based on my admittedly 2nd hand knowledge, being a "carbine sniper" is not one of them.
High speed spades and dirt resistant lube might be more appropriate. And special pants to be able to crap in mre bags while living in a hole.
No matter what you call it, I feel that a 11.5"-14.5", precision oriented carbine, with a variable optic makes a lot of sense. Capable up close, capable out to 400-600 yards. It's a good compromise.
SBRs by Photographer Pilot, on Flickr
Call it what you want...I call it a practical rifle. Maybe a modern "scout rifle?"
1. CQB is not the dominant scenario or use for my rifle (and I'd guess that's true for most users here) so a variable optic is better than an RDS.
2. I need precision on varmints out at a couple hundred yards.
3. We're shooting 5.56. If you're shooting further than 400yds or so, you probably need a bigger cartridge and more accurate rifle, plus you likely have the time to operate a bolt rifle with a larger scope anyway.
Different rifles for different tasks. I just find a 2.5-10x equipped rifle to be a bit much for what I do. YMMV.
I'm building a "mini-recce" with the following specs:
Lower:
BCM lower
Geissele SSA trigger
B5 SOPMOD Enhanced stock
Upper:
BCM upper & BCG
Rainier Select medcon SS 14.5" barrel (pinned)
AAC non-silencer flash hider (pinned)
KAC URX 3.1 10.75" rail
ADM Recon mount
Nightforce 1-4x24 with FC-3G reticle
Procter multicam sling
Should be a fun gun.
"75% of gun owners would be just as happy with airsoft." - Failure2Stop
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