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    I'm not going to get into the whole naming thing, although I have nothing against the recce/mini-recce concept idea. Whatever. To each their own.

    All I'll add is that for my uses, I don't see the point of stainless steel barrels in anything less that 16" barrels. Shorter than that and the practical accuracy (not mechanical) is not going to be a big issue for the effective range of the round at that muzzle velocity, and the stiffness of a short barrel makes the mechanical accuracy decent enough anyways.

    That's my reasoning anyways. Less than 16 = blasters = chrome-lined. 16 or over = stainless, depending on application. I suppose Melonite would be good on either, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benito View Post
    I'm not going to get into the whole naming thing, although I have nothing against the recce/mini-recce concept idea. Whatever. To each their own.

    All I'll add is that for my uses, I don't see the point of stainless steel barrels in anything less that 16" barrels. Shorter than that and the practical accuracy (not mechanical) is not going to be a big issue for the effective range of the round at that muzzle velocity, and the stiffness of a short barrel makes the mechanical accuracy decent enough anyways.

    That's my reasoning anyways. Less than 16 = blasters = chrome-lined. 16 or over = stainless, depending on application. I suppose Melonite would be good on either, too.
    Is the velocity difference between 16 and 14.5 really enough to drop the mini off the stainless chart? I'd always read that the difference was minimal.

    Serious question, not picking a fight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pinzgauer View Post
    Even worse, I question the Recon/recce name entirely. Maybe the SEAL/SF recon role is different... Or they just wanted a cool name.

    By all accounts, there is quite a bit of training and specialized equipment LRS/recon have to do their jobs. Based on my admittedly 2nd hand knowledge, being a "carbine sniper" is not one of them.

    High speed spades and dirt resistant lube might be more appropriate. And special pants to be able to crap in mre bags while living in a hole.
    True.

    Ultimately it's getting something light but effective that can handle at least 60% of what one may encounter.

    I'm no sneaky pete at all, but if I were going "light but reasonable" for a long time away from civilization or resupply, I'd do 12.5".

    Something that's easier on the gun. CAR-15/XM-177E2s were slightly shorter than modern bone stock M4s and people lived in the wilderness with them well enough.

    Just reading up what articulate BTDT guys say on 12.5" makes me think it'd be sensible.

    Maybe a possible project...
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    A 12.5 Centurion barrel with a Trij TR24G and M4-2000 has turned out to be all I think I'll ever need for practical purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SniperOverwatch View Post
    Is the velocity difference between 16 and 14.5 really enough to drop the mini off the stainless chart? I'd always read that the difference was minimal.

    Serious question, not picking a fight.


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    Trust me, man, I'd be the last person to get upset over the significance of velocity differences.
    That is a good question, and one that probably varies by personal opinion, intended use, as well as ammo type, etc.
    I guess for me, 16" is where I start considering the rifle as a Recce, and under that is blasters. Velocity out of a 14.5 is not that much less than a 16, but I just drew my cut off there. Yours may be different, and that's cool. I have nothing against precision stainless shorter barrels, but they're not my thing, that's all.

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    I want to put together a noveske crusader 12.5 barrel and I might put my tr24 german crosshairs or a tr25 on it. The noveske barrels pick up some extra velocity with their mod 0 and polygonal rifling. Rev arms with their single land rifling also picks up extra velocity so for you guys worrying about losing velocity you may want to look there way for barrels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplorinInTheWoods View Post
    I want to put together a noveske crusader 12.5 barrel and I might put my tr24 german crosshairs or a tr25 on it. The noveske barrels pick up some extra velocity with their mod 0 and polygonal rifling. Rev arms with their single land rifling also picks up extra velocity so for you guys worrying about losing velocity you may want to look there way for barrels.
    I had a Noveske 18" SPR with the mod 0 chamber and polygonal rifling and it wasn't any faster than my 18" WOA with Wylde chamber FWIW. The only real difference I've noticed with barrel manufacturers through my own experiences (with Noveske, WOA, DD, RRA, DPMS, BCM, Centurion, and a few other brands I'm sure I'm missing) is that it seems like DD barrels are a tad slower than other makers. I think it might be because of the looser chamber dimensions. However, accuracy is great and they're my favorite mil-spec barrel manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiasushi View Post
    I had a Noveske 18" SPR with the mod 0 chamber and polygonal rifling and it wasn't any faster than my 18" WOA with Wylde chamber FWIW. The only real difference I've noticed with barrel manufacturers through my own experiences (with Noveske, WOA, DD, RRA, DPMS, BCM, Centurion, and a few other brands I'm sure I'm missing) is that it seems like DD barrels are a tad slower than other makers. I think it might be because of the looser chamber dimensions. However, accuracy is great and they're my favorite mil-spec barrel manufacturer.
    Really? I think it was molon but I found a thread where a guy took LMT barrels vs noveske stainless and the noveskes were picking up extra velocity. I have an 18 SPR barrel on my 3 gun rifle.

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    https://www.m4carbine.net/archive/in...p/t-79626.html

    Wasn't molon but here's the thread about velocity.

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    Can somebody throw up a link to a spec sheet that goes beyond "match grade, mid-length gas barrel that blends in with standard carbines" that's endorsed by NSW, or SEAL team armorers? Thanks.

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