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Thread: Rifling in AR-15 Barrels: Hand-Lapped Barrel versus Budget Barrel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyyr View Post

    Ummm, you said here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...336#post893336

    Originally posted by Molon:

    FACT: Even the finest double-hand-lapped, stainless steel match-grade barrel is going to have tooling (reamer) marks




    Yet you say in this thread:


    Originally posted by Molon:


    Note the complete lack of tool marks on the rifling.





    Which one is it?



    Nothing like posting incomple quotes you ****tard. Here's what the whole quote is from my thread that you linked.


    Originally posted by Molon:


    FACT: Even the finest double-hand-lapped, stainless steel match-grade barrel is going to have tooling (reamer) marks, running perpendicular to the direction of bullet travel, remaining on the leade when it is new.






    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...336#post893336



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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon View Post
    Nothing like posting incomple quotes you ****tard. Here's what the whole quote is from my thread that you linked.


    Originally posted by Molon:


    FACT: Even the finest double-hand-lapped, stainless steel match-grade barrel is going to have tooling (reamer) marks, running perpendicular to the direction of bullet travel, remaining on the leade when it is new.






    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...336#post893336



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    And this somehow changes the fact that you compared a fired barrel to an unfired barrel and used this as proof of tooling marks? As in the linked thread above, you once again fail with objectivity.

    This about whether it's ultimately right or wrong, it's about the failure to compare to samples in similar states, and then presenting it as "proof" of your claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyyr View Post


    You're comparing a match-grade barrel with 100 rounds down the pipe, which will polish out the tooling marks (which you claimed above that ALL barrels had) and then use that as proof against a brand new budget barrel that is unfired.

    No, you lying POS, I didn’t. I can’t help it if you’re too stupid to understand the difference between the leade and the rifling proper in barrel.


    And again you deceitfully left out my whole quote, pertaining to the Krieger barrel. Here it is:

    Originally posted by Molon:

    This particular barrel does have approximately 100 rounds fired through it, but this is just what the rifling looks like when you receive your new barrel from Krieger.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon View Post
    No, you lying POS, I didn’t. I can’t help it if you’re too stupid to understand the difference between the leade and the rifling proper in barrel.


    And again you deceitfully left out my whole quote, pertaining to the Krieger barrel. Here it is:

    Originally posted by Molon:

    This particular barrel does have approximately 100 rounds fired through it, but this is just what the rifling looks like when you receive your new barrel from Krieger.



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    So what you're saying is: "This is my barrel with 100 rounds, but take my word that it looks like this brand new. Oh, but here IS another brand new barrel and look at the tooling marks that are on it, typical of a brand new barrel."

    Yet again, as in the linked thread I posted, you have a habit of comparing two unlike samples and then claiming they're the same for comparison purposes, and then making an objective claim off of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyyr View Post

    So what you're saying is: "This is my barrel with 100 rounds, but take my word that it looks like this brand new."


    Again you demonstrate what a deceitful POS you are.. More than 5 years ago, IN THE VERY THREAD THAT YOU POSTED A LINK TO, I posted a bore-scope view of an unfired Krieger barrel showing that there are no perpendicular tools marks on the rifling proper of an unfired Krieger barrel due to the hand-lapping from Kreiger Barrels, Inc.



    The bore-scope view from the linked thread shows the throat of an unfired Krieger barrel. You can see that the rifling proper (indicated with the red arrow) just ahead of the leade, shows no perpendicular tool marks.









    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...336#post893336





    Deceitful ****tards like you that spend your time posting subterfuge, obfuscation and flat-out lies in technical forums are turning this site into TOS. As I posted in the sister thread, going forward y'all can get your first-hand technical data from Skyyr. I'm sure that the wealth of first-hand data that he contributes to this site will be breathtaking. Or not.



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    Last edited by Molon; 07-16-16 at 22:17. Reason: edited to add bore-scope view from the linked thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon View Post
    No, you deceitful POS. More than 5 years ago, IN THE VERY THREAD THAT YOU POSTED A LINK TO, I posted a bore-scope view of an unfired Krieger barrel showing that there are no perpendicular tools marks on the rifling proper due to the hand-lapping from Kreiger Barrels, Inc.
    You can't keep a straight story, can you? We're talking about THIS thread. In this thread, you compared a fired barrel to a non-fired barrel as proof that tool marks exist. Just like in the previous thread, you compared before-and-after photos of a Krieger barrel to a single set of photo of a used Noveske barrel, without before-and-after photos, as proof that break-in procedures yield results.

    Yet again, completely unobjective.

    Also, the petulant name calling is very revealing of yourself.
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    I don't know if my previous post has puckered some but wholes or not, but in preperation H of that possibility, I would like to further explain. I seek further photographically documented proof of the differences in accuracy and precision of the two barrels this thread is comparing to help people be better able to compare and contrast their differences' affect(s) on both accuracy and precision. I would also like to see further detail of the barrels themselves/specifications and the round counts. Until this happens, while the previously shown differences are good to know, I find they are an incomplete 'picture', so to speak. Nothing more.

    I meant absolutely no offense and intended no debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColtSeavers View Post
    I don't know if my previous post has puckered some but wholes or not, but in preperation H of that possibility, I would like to further explain. I seek further photographically documented proof of the differences in accuracy and precision of the two barrels this thread is comparing to help people be better able to compare and contrast their differences' affect(s) on both accuracy and precision. I would also like to see further detail of the barrels themselves/specifications and the round counts. Until this happens, while the previously shown differences are good to know, I find they are an incomplete 'picture', so to speak. Nothing more.
    Bingo. This is a recurring pattern here. Without similar samples and complete info, this simply boils down to a biased review presented as fact, whether done intentionally or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColtSeavers View Post
    I don't know if my previous post has puckered some but wholes or not, but in preperation H of that possibility, I would like to further explain. I seek further photographically documented proof of the differences in accuracy and precision of the two barrels this thread is comparing to help people be better able to compare and contrast their differences' affect(s) on both accuracy and precision. I would also like to see further detail of the barrels themselves/specifications and the round counts. Until this happens, while the previously shown differences are good to know, I find they are an incomplete 'picture', so to speak. Nothing more.

    I meant absolutely no offense and intended no debate.
    Probably not good enough for a test.

    You'd need two Krieger barrels, one hand-lapped and one not, preferably from the same barrel blank.

    And then repeat the test a dozen times or more.

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    Skyyr,

    Please do everyone a favor and give it a rest.



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