I've never been asked. I have copies of the forms with me for whatever I have on me, but have never been asked by anyone to show proof, but wouldn't get upset if I were asked by a range, club or LEO.
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I've never been asked. I have copies of the forms with me for whatever I have on me, but have never been asked by anyone to show proof, but wouldn't get upset if I were asked by a range, club or LEO.
Multiple times:
Range officers at the indoor range I go to, but I think it was because they were nosey. But their rules say if you shoot at their range you must provide proof of legal ownership of Class 3
One ATF agent, and that was ugly.
And a few police officers, who all were appreciative and thankful to learn.
I keep color copies that look exactly like the originals
Last edited by ssgjason; 08-26-16 at 10:49. Reason: additional info
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson.
Yep. Buried in the rules about make copies of money (must be either less than 3/4 size or more than 1.5 size, and one-sided)...you find this little nugget:
Printed illustrations of United States and foreign revenue stamps are permissible in black and white only. There are no size restrictions for revenue stamps.
Now, whether anybody has ever been, or would ever be, charged with it for making a color copy of an NFA form is another matter.
..and where is that written in US criminal code?
Been asked once at a new range by the Owner. I showed him my photocopies shrunk down copy (the size of a notecard) and asked him how he would know the validity of the form 4. To which he replied he wouldn't or couldn't. And to which I asked then whats the point of asking? He smiled and didn't really respond.
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Not sure if this is what you mean by criminal code...but it's 18 U.S. Code § 504 - Printing and filming of United States and foreign obligations and securities (found here)
Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the following are permitted:
(1) The printing, publishing, or importation, or the making or importation of the necessary plates for such printing or publishing, of illustrations of—
(A) postage stamps of the United States,
(B) revenue stamps of the United States,
(C) any other obligation or other security of the United States, and
(D) postage stamps, revenue stamps, notes, bonds, and any other obligation or other security of any foreign government, bank, or corporation.
Illustrations permitted by the foregoing provisions of this section shall be made in accordance with the following conditions—
(i) all illustrations shall be in black and white, except that illustrations of postage stamps issued by the United States or by any foreign government and stamps issued under the Migratory Bird Hunting Stamp Act of 1934 may be in color;
(ii) all illustrations (including illustrations of uncanceled postage stamps in color and illustrations of stamps issued under the Migratory Bird Hunting Stamp Act of 1934 in color) shall be of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of any matter so illustrated which is covered by subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph, except that black and white illustrations of postage and revenue stamps issued by the United States or by any foreign government and colored illustrations of canceled postage stamps issued by the United States may be in the exact linear dimension in which the stamps were issued; and
(iii) the negatives and plates used in making the illustrations shall be destroyed after their final use in accordance with this section.
The Secretary of the Treasury shall prescribe regulations to permit color illustrations of such currency of the United States as the Secretary determines may be appropriate for such purposes.
(2) The provisions of this section shall not permit the reproduction of illustrations of obligations or other securities, by or through electronic methods used for the acquisition, recording, retrieval, transmission, or reproduction of any obligation or other security, unless such use is authorized by the Secretary of the Treasury. The Secretary shall establish a system to ensure that the legitimate use of such electronic methods and retention of such reproductions by businesses, hobbyists, press or others shall not be unduly restricted.
(3) The making or importation of motion-picture films, microfilms, or slides, for projection upon a screen or for use in telecasting, of postage and revenue stamps and other obligations and securities of the United States, and postage and revenue stamps, notes, bonds, and other obligations or securities of any foreign government, bank, or corporation. No prints or other reproductions shall be made from such films or slides, except for the purposes of paragraph (1), without the permission of the Secretary of the Treasury.
For the purposes of this section the term “postage stamp” includes postage meter stamps.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 713; Pub. L. 85–921, § 1, Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1771; Pub. L. 90–353, § 1, June 20, 1968, 82 Stat. 240; Pub. L. 91–448, § 2, Oct. 14, 1970, 84 Stat. 921; Pub. L. 98–369, div. A, title X, § 1077(b)(1), (2), July 18, 1984, 98 Stat. 1054; Pub. L. 102–550, title XV, § 1554, Oct. 28, 1992, 106 Stat. 4071; Pub. L. 104–294, title VI, § 601(e), (f)(3), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3499.)
Last edited by BigWaylon; 08-26-16 at 16:03.
Out here in AZ, SBRs and cans are so prevalent, no one gives a crap. Perhaps machine gun fire might raise interest, but I've never heard of anyone asking for docs. I don't carry any with me for my stuff.
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