SIG Fail! Slovene Triumph!

[m4brian]

Thought that might get a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuPOqDlaX6U

This has some fumes coming off of it on SIGTALK.

I like how he did the test, albeit its a sample of one each and there are a ton of things guns do that this doesn't touch. And, the Rex is a newborn. Not much for experience on it much less Mil/LE use. (Slovenia MAYBE uses the 92FS).

But it makes me want to at least handle one.

[Coal Dragger]

I notice this idiot's channel never features any testing involving actually measuring accuracy results, or comparing two guns against one another based on how quickly or what kind of score can be obtained on a given drill. He seems to only focus on bullshit tests that do not represent typical operating conditions that a shooter is most likely to need.

A sharp pointy stick will be more reliable in mud than either of those two pistols, but how well does the sharp pointy stick perform on an El Pres drill, or on a low probability shot at 50 yards? I guess we won't find that out from this guy's channel. He doesn't appear to be capable of testing for any of that anyway.

For the record I don't own a SIG Legion series so I have no dog in this fight, but his tests are rubbish.

[m4brian]

I actually like his vids. I won't compare them with others who do real and thorough reviews. But, they are interesting, and he shows some decent details, albeit randomly. This video does a useful demo - won't call it a test. But, how a gun handles sand and mud in a plausible/systematic way is notable. Pouring sand into an action is a bit ridiculous. Getting them INTO the sand/dirt/mud is a useful to replicate some type of field condition. Its just one aspect of reliability, but one that is good to know. I'd like to see it done to G19, MP9, PPQ, and others.

[ggammell]

I notice this idiot's channel never features any testing involving actually measuring accuracy results, or comparing two guns against one another based on how quickly or what kind of score can be obtained on a given drill. He seems to only focus on bullshit tests that do not represent typical operating conditions that a shooter is most likely to need.

A sharp pointy stick will be more reliable in mud than either of those two pistols, but how well does the sharp pointy stick perform on an El Pres drill, or on a low probability shot at 50 yards? I guess we won't find that out from this guy's channel. He doesn't appear to be capable of testing for any of that anyway.

For the record I don't own a SIG Legion series so I have no dog in this fight, but his tests are rubbish.

I'm about a second away from unsubscribing from his channel. He's gotten into all these exotic things that just don't interest me.

One of the things that really bothers me about half these internet gun review channels is that general lack of real accuracy/precision measurement. Which I take to mean that most of the guys making the videos really can't shoot that well.

[wildcard600]

I notice this idiot's channel never features any testing involving actually measuring accuracy results, or comparing two guns against one another based on how quickly or what kind of score can be obtained on a given drill. He seems to only focus on bullshit tests that do not represent typical operating conditions that a shooter is most likely to need.

A sharp pointy stick will be more reliable in mud than either of those two pistols, but how well does the sharp pointy stick perform on an El Pres drill, or on a low probability shot at 50 yards? I guess we won't find that out from this guy's channel. He doesn't appear to be capable of testing for any of that anyway.

For the record I don't own a SIG Legion series so I have no dog in this fight, but his tests are rubbish.

Accuracy and speed/score tests are terribly subjective. Personally I care more about how well a given firearm performs in adverse conditions vs how accurate or fast one or a small group of people can shoot them on a square range or match course.

That said I'm not a huge fan of MAC for other reasons, but sometimes he does have some interesting videos.

[daniel87]

Combloc weapons have piss poor qc.

He got a good one wait a year

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[MountainRaven]

Combloc weapons have piss poor qc.

He got a good one wait a year

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What Combloc weapons do you have experience with backing this statement?

[eightmillimeter]

A comprehensive comparison test would include side by side accuracy testing, maybe comparisons of trigger pull weights and other features, and reliability testing. Reliability testing does not need to necessarily be "torture" testing, but it is interesting to see what happens. I'm not a MAC fan, but at least he's trying to standardize a comparison method. Can't fault the effort, even if not realistic. Baseline data in guns that is NOT subjective or personal, can be very hard to come by.

I liken it to FBI testing protocol for ammunition. It doesn't realistically represent what happens to bullets when they impact living/breathing targets, but it is decent baseline data to compare one bullet against another and prioritize one's needs.

[Firefly]

MAC is interesting to see a new gun in motion. Otherwise, I take all he says with a grain of salt. I'd sooner have a Sig over most handguns and a Glock over a Sig.

He banged the Beretta ARX drum pretty loud and I simply have no use for one.

[Magsz]

This thread is about as dumb as the idea that MAC's videos are useless...

It is ONE guy's opinion and it was a non scientific test and a sample of ONE. It means nothing yet exists merely for entertainment purposes on the internet. If you dont like it, dont watch it.

If you think you can do better or want to see something different either do it yourself or ask him if he will do whatever it is you want according to your standards...