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Thread: M16A4 used a DMR true or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarmallM View Post
    if you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay? How close is the Larue rail?
    $230, very lightly used. No idea on LaRue rail. I'm in the process of putting together a A4 clone, and I love that I was able to stumble upon it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    I think you are referring to the one with an ACOG and the original Daniel Defense lite rail. IIRC some had Compass Lake or Douglas barrels and KAC triggers. I think some may have even been built on commercial lowers if only for the course itself.

    Quite a while ago, For the record, I am not military. But I was acquainted with a fellow from AMU who taught/assisted with training. From my understanding this was when the Army had essentially gone M4s for everybody as opposed to A4s.
    No sir, the DD lite rail was never used, not as a DMR, and not with AMU.

    Perhaps you mean the DD M4 rail? This was used, though instead of the aluminum barrel nut, the military specified a steel variant instead.
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    Yes it is true, but it was very short lived program before M14 EBR was put in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarmallM View Post
    How close is the Larue rail?

    Knights made that rail style first, with Daniel Defense making a copy. The larue "clone" is simply a heavy copy of a very old rail. There are reasons why KAC moved on passed that attachment method. If you are looking for a rail which is a military clone, the DD M4 would be correct With a 20" barrel. The KAC would be correct with an 18" barrel as it was also used by the military. Otherwise, there are better rails available. Of course if you are just a fan of the look, it really doesn't matter.

    ETA- If you are asking how close the LT rail is in terms of being similar to the DD rail which was actually used, it isn't close. It doesn't follow the same shape, and instead of being oval is roundish. The locking collar looks different for obvious reasons also (no one wants to be sued for an exact copy). Grant, from this board, commented at one time regarding how many production versions LT went through to get their rail problem free and into the final version. You would have to clarify with him, but I thought it was 13, however that was years ago so it may be more. He used to sell LT products and was with them as they started up, so he is a wealth of info on that topic.
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    If I was paying money for a functional stand-in I'd use either a Larue 15-12 or a Daniel Defense Omega 12.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    No sir, the DD lite rail was never used, not as a DMR, and not with AMU.

    Perhaps you mean the DD M4 rail? This was used, though instead of the aluminum barrel nut, the military specified a steel variant instead.
    Probably. The guy I knew was an instructor who did AMU stuff and DMR school stuff like the basics of shooting a DMR rifle. He had also worked for the full sniper school during his last years and was at that time I knew him, a DOD instructor guy. He said it was a DD rail. At the time I did not know who DD was. Keep in mind, I was younger and not super knowledgeable and did not know free float anything was a thing. He explained it to me. But like not in full detail like a class. I had to look it up. I say DD Lite as that is/was my only concept of the rail. If the proper designation was DDM4 rail, I stand corrected. At that time the only FF AR stuff I knew of was the carbon fiber tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Ski View Post
    Yes it is true, but it was very short lived program before M14 EBR was put in place.

    Did they do a subpar job in that role?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarmallM View Post
    Did they do a subpar job in that role?
    Notably subpar compared to anything that didn't have handguard to barrel contact, generic GI barrel, and a terrible optic.
    The Mk 12 Mod 1 was a huge leap forward in skilled hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Notably subpar compared to anything that didn't have handguard to barrel contact, generic GI barrel, and a terrible optic.
    The Mk 12 Mod 1 was a huge leap forward in skilled hands.
    Agreed, Mk12 is in totally different league with maximized potential.
    However, M16 based solution was easier to "blend in" for average Joe...
    There are always side stories to everything and it is impossible to make everyone happy...;-)
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