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Thread: M16A4 used a DMR true or not?

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    The SDMR was semi only due to the geissele trigger in it. Standard colt lower. DD m4 rail, heavy fluted barrel, believe fsb was set screwed like match rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalashniKEV View Post
    Actually, an "FBI Pack" is a 0,1... no burst or auto.
    True. But there really is a safe, semi, two round pack. And it was made for some alphabet soup. I know normal agents only get semi auto but it's out there. I'm not that stupid. I feel as though I'm failing this thread but the two round pack is out there. I always thought FBI SWAT or someone used them. Any FBI guy I ever had dealings with had just a sidearm.



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    Back in the day in Israel, I put together a rifle for this role . I was very limited in what I could get due to draconian gun laws and limited items in our supply chain.

    I found a bunch of M16A2 barrels, at a friends business. We air gauged them and I grabbed the best 2. We then put that barrel on a M16A2. This rifle had to pass a yearly inspection, so I was very limited in what I could do. As an example we were just getting flat top M4's, but if I grabbed an upper off one of these I would have had big issues with the arms room and my command.

    So I kept the old upper and put a riser on the stock, a Harris bipod, a NightForce scope. This rifle served me very well for years. So you look at what is avaiable here in the USA for the military and the civilian market, it is fantastic.

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    Here is the Wiki link to the Army SDM rifle, the parts list in the link is what I used to build the rifle on page 1...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Marksman_Rifle

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    I was 3ID and was issued the SDM-R (or whatever it was officially called) for my second tour in 2005. Before that we had no DMR rifles and nobody had ACOGs in my unit before then either. During the invasion in 2003 they did hand out M24s to a few guys who had been to sniper school, but that was it for long range precision rifles. It had a Douglas stainless barrel that was painted black, a Daniel Defense rail, a KAC trigger, a HArris bipod, and a TA31. Also each DM was given a 500 round case of M262 ammo.

    My brother in law who was a Marine at the same time told me that his unit did use plain jane M16A4s with ACOGs as their DMRs for a while. I think he got out before they started fielding the Mk12 more frequently.

    The beginning of my second tour my platoon got whored out to a tank company. Their guys had the M14 DMR in some sort of chassis system. I think it was the SAGE but not sure. My M16 based DMR was definitely more accurate but the ACOG was a limiting factor at longer ranges. The rifle was capable out to 800 meters but the sight was lacking at that range for real accurate fire. I might not hit you with the first round out past 600 meters but you wouldn't want to stay still. My longest shot in training was just over 1000 meters with shots at 800 meters being much more predictable. My longest shot in combat was 410 (+/- a few) meters measured by map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-grunt View Post
    I was 3ID and was issued the SDM-R (or whatever it was officially called) for my second tour in 2005. Before that we had no DMR rifles and nobody had ACOGs in my unit before then either. During the invasion in 2003 they did hand out M24s to a few guys who had been to sniper school, but that was it for long range precision rifles. It had a Douglas stainless barrel that was painted black, a Daniel Defense rail, a KAC trigger, a HArris bipod, and a TA31. Also each DM was given a 500 round case of M262 ammo.

    My brother in law who was a Marine at the same time told me that his unit did use plain jane M16A4s with ACOGs as their DMRs for a while. I think he got out before they started fielding the Mk12 more frequently.

    The beginning of my second tour my platoon got whored out to a tank company. Their guys had the M14 DMR in some sort of chassis system. I think it was the SAGE but not sure. My M16 based DMR was definitely more accurate but the ACOG was a limiting factor at longer ranges. The rifle was capable out to 800 meters but the sight was lacking at that range for real accurate fire. I might not hit you with the first round out past 600 meters but you wouldn't want to stay still. My longest shot in training was just over 1000 meters with shots at 800 meters being much more predictable. My longest shot in combat was 410 (+/- a few) meters measured by map.

    Couple pics of my baby. Sorry they are not the best pictures.





    Thats an awesome rifle, I keep going back and forth on cloning it.... Thank you for your service!

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    The Marines used a 20" M16 as a SAM-R; free-floated Krieger or Compass Lake barrel and KAC rail and a scope. It bought maybe 250-350 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    The Marines used a 20" M16 as a SAM-R; free-floated Krieger or Compass Lake barrel and KAC rail and a scope. It bought maybe 250-350 yards.
    The Leupy Mk 4 2.5-8x was a significant improvement over the COG if the user had more advanced knowledge.
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    Not to bring up a dead thread, but the guys who were issued an a4 as a DMR with a bipod, what type of bipod mount did you receive?

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    Can't speak for the Army side however that is how ours were utilized during the invasion in 2003. The rifles were scarce among the Marine Battalions so each squad was given a "DMR" ability until the A4 really took over during OIF 2.

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