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    Failure2Stop, do you consider the QDC cans equal to the reliability of the NT4? Or is it too soon to tell? What are the advantages of the QDC over the NT4 or vice versa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I have seen NT4s by the bushel with over 50,000 rounds through them that still tick merrily along, though the build-up of carbon and copper 3-D lattice does drop some of the performance.
    I have seen NT4s that weigh ounces heavier than new, with the users having no idea how many rounds have gone through them in their decade(+) of service.
    I have seen NT4s that have been put on MK46s, and shot so much that when they were cut in half the first two baffles were eroded to the point of near non-existence, and they would still mount.
    The SOCOM SOUM for NT4s basically states that if you have an end-cap strike, the armorer is to do an inspection and then file the protruding flap flat, simply to avoid a cut hazard.
    I have seen NT4s with baffle strikes that nobody even noticed for thousands of rounds.
    I have seen NT4s used to smash out windows, break through fences, and driven into the ocular socket of non-compliant enclosure occupants to elicit the desired level of passivity, with little more wear than some work KG Kote and chunks of skin and hair.
    I've seen them shot half full of sea water, until they glowed like a 2-bit rave dancer, and then cooled off in a mud puddle.

    It ain't cool anymore. It ain't sexy anymore. But if you're going to give a suppressor to a Marine, nothing less than an NT4 is worthy of their abuse. There are a bunch of good cans out there today, and the NT4 is a bit of a dinosaur, but it's a f***ing T-Rex hombre.
    Yeah, I work at KAC. But I was a Jarhead first, and I came here for a reason, and it wasn't for the beach or the pay.

    Oh, and make sure you wipe off those chunks before going to Boogytown, the smell is not pleasant.
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    I would expect surefire or Knights to get the contract. I wonder if they will go with the minis/cqb configurations or their full size brothers.

    I would also like to know if F2S thinks the QDCs live up to the NT4 legacy.

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    Which suppressor would you like the USMC to adopt?

    Doesn't the NT4 attach to a standard A2? Does Surefire make anything that doesn't require a new muzzle device? Based on F2S posts re the durability of the NT4 and the fact that it would not require a trip to an armorer for muzzle device changes one would think the NT4 has the advantage. But then, because it's logical I'm sure some other brand will get the contract

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAZ View Post
    Doesn't the NT4 attach to a standard A2? Does Surefire make anything that doesn't require a new muzzle device? Based on F2S posts re the durability of the NT4 and the fact that it would not require a trip to an armorer for muzzle device changes one would think the NT4 has the advantage. But then, because it's logical I'm sure some other brand will get the contract
    No, the NT4 needs its own muzzle device; the KAC QD Comp does look an A2, but is not an A2.

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    I would like to see them adopt either the NT4, the QDC or one Surefire. Those are the best suppressors on the market today as far as mount and durability go.

    Something's they got right the first time and just don't need fixing, the NT4 is an example.

    I too am curious how the QDC stacks up against the NT4 durability wise, as I'm going to buy one in the near future.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Furbyballer View Post
    I would also like to know if F2S thinks the QDCs live up to the NT4 legacy.
    The inside of the QDCs is very similar to the NT4, and what I have seen shows at least similar levels of durability.
    Part of my NT4 preference is the simplicity and security of the gate latch with retainer ring attachment method. It's simply not going to come off once it's installed correctly unless you really want it to.
    It's not that the QDC isn't as good, it's just that the NT4 is more grunt-proof in that regard. Just like the old saying; put a Marine in a locked room with three bowling balls for a day, and when you come back one will be broken, one will be lost, and one will be pregnant.

    Anyway, I don't mean to haunt this thread, will back off so others can freely express their thoughts without an industry shill hawking wares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I have seen NT4s by the bushel with over 50,000 rounds through them that still tick merrily along, though the build-up of carbon and copper 3-D lattice does drop some of the performance.
    I have seen NT4s that weigh ounces heavier than new, with the users having no idea how many rounds have gone through them in their decade(+) of service.
    I have seen NT4s that have been put on MK46s, and shot so much that when they were cut in half the first two baffles were eroded to the point of near non-existence, and they would still mount.
    The SOCOM SOUM for NT4s basically states that if you have an end-cap strike, the armorer is to do an inspection and then file the protruding flap flat, simply to avoid a cut hazard.
    I have seen NT4s with baffle strikes that nobody even noticed for thousands of rounds.
    I have seen NT4s used to smash out windows, break through fences, and driven into the ocular socket of non-compliant enclosure occupants to elicit the desired level of passivity, with little more wear than some work KG Kote and chunks of skin and hair.
    I've seen them shot half full of sea water, until they glowed like a 2-bit rave dancer, and then cooled off in a mud puddle.

    It ain't cool anymore. It ain't sexy anymore. But if you're going to give a suppressor to a Marine, nothing less than an NT4 is worthy of their abuse. There are a bunch of good cans out there today, and the NT4 is a bit of a dinosaur, but it's a f***ing T-Rex hombre.
    Yeah, I work at KAC. But I was a Jarhead first, and I came here for a reason, and it wasn't for the beach or the pay.

    Oh, and make sure you wipe off those chunks before going to Boogytown, the smell is not pleasant.
    So, what your saying is I need to buy a NT4 correct?

    And while your at it can you please call my agency head and tell him to buy cans to go with out sr16s, please? Lol
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    To me id be happy with any brand that is well made.

    Be it qd or welded to the rifle, ala integral

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthOPS32 View Post
    Dead Air Sandman! Or Rugged Surge!

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    Both great cans. But the modularity of the Surge and both of them having removable end caps, would make them a no-go for military issue in my mind. And I say that as I ponder a Surge purchase for 2017.
    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I have seen NT4s by the bushel with over 50,000 rounds through them that still tick merrily along, though the build-up of carbon and copper 3-D lattice does drop some of the performance.
    I have seen NT4s that weigh ounces heavier than new, with the users having no idea how many rounds have gone through them in their decade(+) of service.
    I have seen NT4s that have been put on MK46s, and shot so much that when they were cut in half the first two baffles were eroded to the point of near non-existence, and they would still mount.
    The SOCOM SOUM for NT4s basically states that if you have an end-cap strike, the armorer is to do an inspection and then file the protruding flap flat, simply to avoid a cut hazard.
    I have seen NT4s with baffle strikes that nobody even noticed for thousands of rounds.
    I have seen NT4s used to smash out windows, break through fences, and driven into the ocular socket of non-compliant enclosure occupants to elicit the desired level of passivity, with little more wear than some work KG Kote and chunks of skin and hair.
    I've seen them shot half full of sea water, until they glowed like a 2-bit rave dancer, and then cooled off in a mud puddle.

    It ain't cool anymore. It ain't sexy anymore. But if you're going to give a suppressor to a Marine, nothing less than an NT4 is worthy of their abuse. There are a bunch of good cans out there today, and the NT4 is a bit of a dinosaur, but it's a f***ing T-Rex hombre.
    Yeah, I work at KAC. But I was a Jarhead first, and I came here for a reason, and it wasn't for the beach or the pay.

    Oh, and make sure you wipe off those chunks before going to Boogytown, the smell is not pleasant.
    Whatever description KAC is currently using for the NT4 on their website, needs to be scrapped and replaced with this one!

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