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    Quote Originally Posted by mark5pt56 View Post
    While not recommending certain products, I would say the have layers of protection. outside in, landscaping, lighting, doors, windows, alarms, dogs, interior doors, cages, safes. Also exit and entry with items, dress and appearance. So if every sat morning neighbors see you in your 5.11 outfit with gun bags leaving and returning, word gets out, etc. e
    Time helps if the burglar has skills and tools. If it's some punks, they will just beat up stuff and make a mess before leaving with nothing.
    One of the best things you could do for your own security is park your vehicle in your garage. You may love and trust your neighbors, but how well do you know or trust the meth head painting your neighbor's front fence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjacobs View Post
    I just used my normal home owners insurance. I had to inventory everything, serial numbers, pictures, etc... and provide a replacement value. I was a bit leery of doing such and letting my insurance know what I had, but my agent(who has done a ton of firearms riders here in Texas and knew exactly what to do when I asked about a firearms rider) said "why would I insure your firearms, then let out information on what you have so that others can come steal them, just so I have to pay out the claim." I cant necessarily argue with that.

    I think I have ~40k rider with a $250 deductible for something like 30 bucks a month. Covers my safe too as well as my 2 Dillon 1050's and my other physical reloading gear, but not any components. My agent said its best not to divulge to the insurance company that I am storing highly flammable/explosive items in my home... I couldnt really argue with that.
    This guy sounds like a salesman. Issue is not whether he would release the information on purpose. The issue is that it's on a computer thatnis dependant on someone's IT department to protect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark5pt56 View Post
    While not recommending certain products, I would say the have layers of protection. outside in, landscaping, lighting, doors, windows, alarms, dogs, interior doors, cages, safes. Also exit and entry with items, dress and appearance. So if every sat morning neighbors see you in your 5.11 outfit with gun bags leaving and returning, word gets out, etc.
    Time helps if the burglar has skills and tools. If it's some punks, they will just beat up stuff and make a mess before leaving with nothing.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippers View Post
    If you're serious about protecting expensive firearms, look into a used jewelry safe with a TL15 or even TL30 rating. If you want to go beast mode, get a TL30x6 or TRTL30x6.

    Gun safes are a joke. Two layers of thin sheet metal and hollow - might as well be a school locker. For example, the top of the line model from Liberty, the Presidential, has a UL RSC rating. Compare this to TL rated safes for how much you can insure the contents:

    https://www.safeandvaultstore.com/burg-ratings

    You can also see the difference in the classifications at http://www.amsecusa.com/burglary-ratings-explained/ by clicking on the tabs. UL RSC is 5 minutes entry time with 12 gauge steel, while TL15 is 15 minutes entry time and walls equivalent to 1" thick open hearth steel.

    Liberty wants over $4000 for their smallest Presidential. You can get a used TL15 or possibly a TL30 for less than this, delivered and installed.

    No safe is invulnerable, so weight is your friend. It prevents someone from carrying it off and then having all the time in the world to open it up. I have a small-ish TL15 that weighs 2500 lbs empty. A decent sized TL30x6 will push 4000+ lbs. The walls on safes like these are typically composite construction, so after cutting through the steel outer shell, the perp has to contend with a mixture of concrete and other materials that destroy cutting tools. The fire ratings are generally higher and longer, and the doors are extremely heavy (requiring you to level the safe or else the door keeps trying to open/close on you). Add a liberty SafElert for good measure, and tie the room into your home security system.

    Avoid electronic locks. If they break, the only option is to drill out the lock, which will be expensive and time consuming. Mechanical locks, while slower to use, have very little chance of breaking.

    I also agree with mark5pt56. Layers of security are better than one expensive safe that the world can see.
    Agreed. TL30x6 or bust. You also want to make sure you're getting a composite (not plate steel) TL15 or TL30. I believe all current TL30x6 are composite. There are amazing options for used reconditioned high security safes.

    I also recommend alarming the safe door, tilt sensor, seismic sensor. And if you really want security, add a multimodal tracking device to the inside, so if someone makes off with your safe (unlikely with a TL series) you can find it immediately.

    Quote Originally Posted by rjacobs View Post
    insurance... and im talking real insurance, specific for your firearms, not "oh my home owners covers that". It most likely does not. My basic home owners covered 1000 bucks worth of firearms.

    My rider even will pay my tax stamps to replace my NFA items.
    Agreed. I use Eastern Insurance.
    Last edited by JoshNC; 01-07-17 at 19:05.
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    Couldn't agree more about a TL15 or better yet a TL30 safe. I've been looking at them on craigslist for the last year or so. Wasn't in a position to pick one up this past summer (could't move it the distance needed for a reasonable price), was a TL30 for 2k.

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    My current plan.


    1. Proper scheduled insurance

    2. Reinforced and hardened door

    3. Gallow panels and hangers on the wall to organize it all

    4. Home alarm


    It's not perfect but I'm ok with it. Figure the next house I'll build a mini vault and might eventually add a vault door to the above set up.

    I have a smaller safe but running out of room and look forward to the gallow system

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTR03 View Post
    This guy sounds like a salesman. Issue is not whether he would release the information on purpose. The issue is that it's on a computer thatnis dependant on someone's IT department to protect.
    uh, he's an insurance agent so yea, he is a salesman.

    I looked into other insurance programs offered by NRA and similar(I talked to the one listed on the first page) and all the ones I talked to(only 4 or 5, so there are probably others) require inventory and serial numbers so you arent immune from giving out the info.

    I asked my homeowners agent about an umbrella policy that didnt require an inventory and he said nobody he knew would write a policy like that anymore due to fraud and IF somebody would it would cost way to much. Said its the same with jewelry and artwork and stuff like that anymore due to to much fraud so everybody prices policy's like that into outer space to make it not worth committing fraud on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjacobs View Post
    uh, he's an insurance agent so yea, he is a salesman.

    I looked into other insurance programs offered by NRA and similar(I talked to the one listed on the first page) and all the ones I talked to(only 4 or 5, so there are probably others) require inventory and serial numbers so you arent immune from giving out the info.

    I asked my homeowners agent about an umbrella policy that didnt require an inventory and he said nobody he knew would write a policy like that anymore due to fraud and IF somebody would it would cost way to much. Said its the same with jewelry and artwork and stuff like that anymore due to to much fraud so everybody prices policy's like that into outer space to make it not worth committing fraud on them.
    Eastern Insurance and Collectibles insurance offer policies that cover high value collections. Eastern only requires the serial number if an item is over $25k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshNC View Post
    Eastern Insurance and Collectibles insurance offer policies that cover high value collections. Eastern only requires the serial number if an item is over $25k.
    That wasnt the impression I got when I talked to them ~2 years ago and I have zero items worth 25k by themselves, but my entire collection is definitely worth over that. Unless the rep I spoke to and I had a signal crossed. I was looking at north of 25k of coverage and was told they needed at the least an inventory, but again, its very possible the rep and I got a signal crossed.

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    If you PM me I can send you the contact info for the rep I deal with. Have used them for about 15 years.
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    I also use Eastern and can confirm you can do a blanket policy without serial numbers except for large ticket items.
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