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    Eastern's website really highlights the historic part, doesn't really address modern utilitarian "collections". Obviously that must not be an issue if so many of you guys recommend them. Was it pretty straightforward getting your non-historic items included?


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    i have liberty and fort knox safes.. and listed by home owners insurance.
    honestly if you invest heavily into your firearms it would be wise not to skimp on a well rated safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by interfan View Post
    One of the best things you could do for your own security is park your vehicle in your garage. You may love and trust your neighbors, but how well do you know or trust the meth head painting your neighbor's front fence?
    This! When we moved, my number one priority was to get everything moved into the house so the cars could've parked there. Many families in our neighborhood don't do this. 2 and 3 car garages (sometimes with stoarage sheds or pole barns out back) with the garage full of crap and 1-3 cars in the driveway.

    One time we were at a function at the neighbors and they said "We never know if you're home or not since you actually manage to park your cars in the garage."

    Yes, ma'am, that's by design. If you wanna come over, give us a call.

    Oh, another security layer: busybody neighbors and retirees. They know everyone's case and who isn't supposed to be there. As big of a pain in the ass they (the busybodies) can be to deal with, they can be a real security asset.
    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rackham1 View Post
    Eastern's website really highlights the historic part, doesn't really address modern utilitarian "collections". Obviously that must not be an issue if so many of you guys recommend them. Was it pretty straightforward getting your non-historic items included?

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    You can customize the policy to your collection, including blanket coverage. For expensive items you do separate scheduled coverage with documentation like a copy of the bill of sale, etc. NFA items also have the tax stamp covered.

    There was never a question of non-historical items. It's simply firearms insurance, regardless of how they describe it.
    Will - Owner of Arisaka LLC - http://www.arisakadefense.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippers View Post
    If you're serious about protecting expensive firearms, look into a used jewelry safe with a TL15 or even TL30 rating. If you want to go beast mode, get a TL30x6 or TRTL30x6.

    Gun safes are a joke. Two layers of thin sheet metal and hollow - might as well be a school locker. For example, the top of the line model from Liberty, the Presidential, has a UL RSC rating. Compare this to TL rated safes for how much you can insure the contents:

    https://www.safeandvaultstore.com/burg-ratings

    You can also see the difference in the classifications at http://www.amsecusa.com/burglary-ratings-explained/ by clicking on the tabs. UL RSC is 5 minutes entry time with 12 gauge steel, while TL15 is 15 minutes entry time and walls equivalent to 1" thick open hearth steel.

    Liberty wants over $4000 for their smallest Presidential. You can get a used TL15 or possibly a TL30 for less than this, delivered and installed.

    No safe is invulnerable, so weight is your friend. It prevents someone from carrying it off and then having all the time in the world to open it up. I have a small-ish TL15 that weighs 2500 lbs empty. A decent sized TL30x6 will push 4000+ lbs. The walls on safes like these are typically composite construction, so after cutting through the steel outer shell, the perp has to contend with a mixture of concrete and other materials that destroy cutting tools. The fire ratings are generally higher and longer, and the doors are extremely heavy (requiring you to level the safe or else the door keeps trying to open/close on you). Add a liberty SafElert for good measure, and tie the room into your home security system.

    Avoid electronic locks. If they break, the only option is to drill out the lock, which will be expensive and time consuming. Mechanical locks, while slower to use, have very little chance of breaking.

    I also agree with mark5pt56. Layers of security are better than one expensive safe that the world can see.
    GREAT POST!

    I will just add that in the gun security game concealment often trumps security. How many internet websites can you find where the people hollowed out part of a wall and installed a hidden vault? Or how about the guy that went to the trouble of converting an old Coke machine into a safe.

    I, of course, won't discuss what I've done, but suffice it to say don't just copy someone else's idea: come up with a way to conceal your gun storage on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippers View Post
    You can customize the policy to your collection, including blanket coverage. For expensive items you do separate scheduled coverage with documentation like a copy of the bill of sale, etc. NFA items also have the tax stamp covered.

    There was never a question of non-historical items. It's simply firearms insurance, regardless of how they describe it.
    Awesome, thank you.


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    A $100 flimsy gun cabinet with a $400 networked NVR/cam system is more secure than a $10,000 gun vault. Detect, Delay, Defend. Without detection, delay (what the steel / locks are supposed to do for you) is useless against a determined attacker. I'm not anti-safe, but regardless of what you get you need a means of detecting the adversary. An IDS and NVR would be optimal, with a UPS and a stable network connection (preferably with a wireless backup, just in case). That's how you learn that someone is breaking in...so you can respond or call the five oh to respond. Otherwise you're talking about coming home from work to an empty safe. At that moment, you don't care if you delayed the guy 5 mins (cheap safe) or an hour (expensive as hell safe). Your stuff is still gone.

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    In addition to all of the above, tight spaces are your friend. If the safe is the showpiece of your family room, somebody talented is going to drop it on it's face and peel it open like an orange.

    However it it's in the back of a tight closet and anchored to the floor and studs behind it and there is little room to operate pry bars or get leverage where it's needed even a budget safe can become a nightmare to crack.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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